From: "C Bergström" <cbergstrom@pathscale.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 00:06:26 +0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOnawYoW_18Uu9sEBKoQoNSR1eJb4sW4M1Vzw75eEV+h7bm6rQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_=ZxNbhdqeu7T9A0qvo0MZfRGNUXWZbj53RCK5VGX1ZuQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström <cbergstrom@pathscale.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström <cbergstrom@pathscale.com> wrote:
>>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
>>>>
>>>> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
>>>> want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc
>>>
>>> How about the source code?
>>
>> Do you have the source for github?
>>
>
> That would be why I point out that we have debates over its use.
> Right now we're accepting it mainly because it is an alternative. I
> suspect there would be more concern if it were proposed that we move
> to it exclusively.
>
>>
>> There are "free" alternatives and this is the exact same thing as
>> github. IMAP and POP are comparable to git as google hosted apps is
>> comparable to github.
>
> I think that is actually your best line of argument. They're just a
> black box that accepts SMTP and makes available POP, and that is all
> Gentoo uses. They just happen to offer an MUA on the side, which g.o
> devs/staff can use at their discretion.
>
> I'm not convinced it is the way to go, all the same.
>
>> There's a line between being passionate and
>> ignoring a sensible good alternative. I can't say where to draw that
>> line, but imho I hope pragmatic people will take a look instead of
>> just dismissing it.
>>
>
> I have nothing against Gmail and I'm composing this email using it.
> Even so, unless we were simply unable to host our own mail, I'm not
> sure I'd advocate moving g.o over to Google apps.
>
> That doesn't mean I'm not willing to be pragmatic. I just think that
> making a change like this really should be done only out of necessity.
> There are other Gentoo services that I'd sooner see go than email.
>
>> Oh and btw - the whole problem comes because people are forwarding to
>> gmail. Is that open source? It's clear a large number of people
>> already use and depend on the exact same service I'm suggesting. How
>> on earth could those same people object... (I don't see the open
>> source communit up in arms over yahoo mail and gmail..)
>
> I can use Gmail personally and still object to forcing everybody else
> to use it. I don't see that as hypocrisy at all.
>
>> Do you own a phone that connects to this email? Android, iOS.. etc
>> aren't "open source", but somehow we survive..
>
> Android is more or less open-source. There are some blobs in it, but
> not all that much more than you'd find on a typical PC running Gentoo.
> But again, Gentoo doesn't provide cell phones or require that anybody
> own one. If somebody wants to read dev.g.o on their iPhone, I don't
> have a problem with that. If we were to force anybody who wanted to
> subscribe to dev.g.o to own an iPhone I would have a problem with
> that.
Android is much less open than people think or want to believe.
Entirely besides that point - I hope this could be proposed and at
least looked at as an option. I have ran a postfix setup with
graylisting and spam filtering. It's quite a bit of maintenance to
ensure it's done in a high quality manner. The time/cost/energy in
that vs something which "just works" is hard to pass up. I realize
philosophies and religions differ - I respect your view and hope a
good solution is found in the end. If not now - I suspect at some
point gentoo will relinquish their email to a service provider..
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-05-11 17:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-11 4:26 [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 7:29 ` Eray Aslan
2015-05-11 9:15 ` Tobias Klausmann
2015-05-11 19:31 ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-11 19:35 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2015-05-11 20:01 ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-11 20:08 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 20:47 ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-12 5:19 ` Eray Aslan
2015-05-12 10:26 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-12 10:39 ` Peter Stuge
2015-05-12 12:56 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 9:38 ` Tony Vroon
2015-05-11 10:09 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 20:36 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-12 7:18 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 12:39 ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-11 12:47 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 20:27 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 13:27 ` Charles Nérot
2015-05-11 13:37 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 13:59 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 14:44 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 14:59 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 15:21 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 16:17 ` Alexis Ballier
2015-05-11 16:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2015-05-11 16:32 ` Alexis Ballier
2015-05-11 16:38 ` Michał Górny
2015-05-11 16:25 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 16:19 ` Matthew Thode
2015-05-11 16:55 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 17:06 ` C Bergström [this message]
2015-05-23 6:18 ` J. Roeleveld
2015-05-23 6:24 ` C Bergström
2015-05-23 11:05 ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-23 6:39 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 7:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2015-05-23 8:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " James Le Cuirot
2015-05-23 11:16 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 12:32 ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-23 13:07 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 13:34 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 14:20 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 14:32 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 15:36 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 14:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2015-05-23 14:29 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 16:24 ` Mike Frysinger
2015-05-11 21:10 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-12 8:37 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] " Mike Frysinger
2015-05-12 8:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Amadeusz Żołnowski
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