From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F8658973 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F31121C248; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf0-f52.google.com (mail-lf0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A00521C024 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f52.google.com with SMTP id m1so122347857lfg.0 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:25:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=iw0W9ZLJXVueVv3cGnYNy+6Z0ONtyvGVp49LQ/AvjQY=; b=N/ckjBmtvr698SzgNzk+Kx+8H5yYG9qN099R0qz5C0DaVtXyG+nHLEUbxeFs5JbNfH N6VtMv4VYhDFjw/iLgegzPY6uPlki4Nmu/DuMJ/uoWujmGS7xUChQBMlDi/2tlLbujnZ TWG2ycXnvheB3sUnpJVxN3+Qa8iNwj2WNEUN5O/Uf8UEOaDGOU3LS4mfv0fYq1f9SVNf Il5V/oVhkwCW2Ms1h3o52yCiDWojttNEwQOXjv+VxHMZAUc2Jv5d4/USSwn381jT5GuZ /CPUE2qYYmF3cvkI4YBUwQnbM19Sb1lIdkbTK/+fz9foiMUctmg+gL4pUqCnQLOH7xIm G/0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iw0W9ZLJXVueVv3cGnYNy+6Z0ONtyvGVp49LQ/AvjQY=; b=GGjHmoxi97rvmdge3GeRGXVScdUqrgykQcXR5nRpyAOrlrIaWspwbkHbc6siHd88tA lImOZQj7VwF/cnjMqqB/NUNbcQWpHsGBq8QxzXUKD9h9yshrslmQ8lMKoyfnL6l6B35H yBuPDRuG0p15p4DMHyhD0LqjxJyB5rFLtDz1F3STTDzn0DLDNPtwzflIB/DwFKqzP2pm H0DQ7WyZSGksQvfW9yztQqEDdUHTv4xafCjHhG6Phi6QCAcT7rt6UGnHGGt4Jo2hLWad fpJXRsfmrDW8E4KW45PohNDkdsRRqXPFya7B+x+3eOAQLk6lfx/A43iW83XUaSJnco04 US9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQYx8Ez8HSYGHQpJndq2pf7H5FjhxDyL+wt24YBDBVNBOs4vTD7xjXaGG8YtkRGEKj4gCyy2O6DHC2L3g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.208.143 with SMTP id h137mr1897567lfg.110.1455042348105; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:25:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: alon.barlev@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.162.231 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:25:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <56B85B06.7020500@gentoo.org> <56B936DB.1010407@gentoo.org> <56B939C4.20804@gentoo.org> <56B978C3.2020304@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 20:25:47 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gy7r_AhHhkTFqg2Of-LPofZQO50 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider From: Alon Bar-Lev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 1df867e0-1962-46ff-9d82-70e4e42d24e0 X-Archives-Hash: c5bb9ef6e4227f46f882897e961d61e8 On 9 February 2016 at 13:59, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > > On 2/8/16 10:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> How many of those 14 distros have more than 14 users? > > > > gentoo is very unpopular as a distro. however, it excels as a meta > > distro. if you marginalize its special features, you take away all its > > charm. > > The controversy comes in when you want to make it a default, and start > arguing that it is somehow better than the solution everybody else is > using. > > Outside of Gentoo people either aren't concerned at all with eudev (it > probably isn't even in their distro repositories), or they're a tiny > distro whose main purpose in life seems to be to avoid installing > systemd. Of course you're going to get praise from them. > > I've always supported having eudev hosted by Gentoo. I just don't > support it being the default udev provider. > I too support eudev as default for openrc people, Gentoo is about choice, and OpenRC eco-system should get rid of all systemd related dependencies. This is a choice we provide. eudev should stand as its own and provide a service for the non-systemd users, these users actually care about what we provide, Gentoo is one of the last distros that enables that. I use eudev since its first beta, and these guys provides good service. I also mask all systemd files that somehow find their way into my system thanks to your past decisions as systemd supporter, instead of installing these only when systemd USE flag is set and adding openrc USE flag for the systemd users folks. It may in future that udev will completely relay on systemd and we left with eudev as the only choice for non systemd-eco system, it is better to start building this eco-system now, make sure we have a working solution at any given point in time. Alon