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From: Alon Bar-Lev <alonbl@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:12:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOazyz1S4L9MGwKu6ijOzn_aLJnA6DuyS9YoLn12zspN6GL+9g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_mW5hR04LLpRGX5OYAOrV8popEfw_75QCtfDHbh0E5YZg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> not must, but if I choose to run the official supported configuration,
>> well, then telling me to go to an unsupported state is quite confusing
>> and sends the wrong signal.
>>
>
> There is no one official supported configuration of Gentoo.  Nobody
> has to agree to make systemd an official supported configuration,
> because OpenRC isn't an official supported configuration either.  At
> least, not in the way that the terms seems to be being used.  There is
> no policy that requires packages to run when OpenRC is the service
> manager, and there is no policy that requires packages to supply an
> OpenRC init.d script.

Every long lawyer like response make me re-check my sanity.

The split of openrc was done by Roy in the past to be usable by other
audiences, especially busybox and *bsd configurations.

OpenRC is baselayout-1, just packaged in different way.

Gentoo, well up to now, did have a policy that packages should support
the baselayout which was single one, no alternatives where formally
supported. The fact that OpenRC is now provided as own package
(technical bit) could not have changed the policy of providing stable
coherent solution for users.

The fact that someone decided that init system may be virtual means
nothing if the implications of users and developers were not been
understood.

Of course it matches the gnome and affiliated vendor agenda.... but
for that do we break the entire tree and produce extra load for
developers who maintain unrelated packages?

Alon


  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-10 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-07 12:45 [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Michael Weber
2013-08-07 13:14 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2013-08-07 13:56   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-07 15:22     ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-07 23:49   ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08  2:51     ` Alex Alexander
2013-08-08  9:29     ` hasufell
2013-08-08  9:43       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 11:19         ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 11:28           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:05       ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 10:30         ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 14:01     ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:10       ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 14:30         ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:45         ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 14:17       ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 14:34         ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-08 14:56           ` hasufell
2013-08-08 15:16             ` Damien Levac
2013-08-08 15:40               ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 15:49                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 15:56                 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:02                 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:13                   ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:20                     ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 16:24                       ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:58                         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-09 13:10                 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-08 15:23             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 16:36               ` hasufell
2013-08-08 16:48                 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:52                   ` hasufell
2013-08-08 17:09                     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 17:57                     ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:53                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 17:41                   ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 17:57                     ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:08                       ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 18:23                         ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:47                           ` Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8) Tom Wijsman
     [not found]                             ` < CAOazyz2R+3TANLkeoXhP0LgLS+rOZwjPdCYVdC82DTG1nbri-w@mail.gmail.com>
2013-08-08 18:57                             ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:09                               ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:11                               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09  1:05                                 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Zac Medico
2013-08-09  1:18                                   ` Dustin C. Hatch
2013-08-09  5:39                                   ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09  6:42                                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-09  6:51                                       ` [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress Steven J. Long
2013-08-09  7:19                                         ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09  7:26                                           ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:50                                             ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 18:42                                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-11  1:53                                                 ` Rich Freeman
     [not found]                                             ` < CAGfcS_=zyeX8Whr8U4w4s3ouSbUoTm=hF95t3rd0q=wt60eZcQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                               ` < 20130810184211.GA1500@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
2013-08-11  2:04                                                 ` Duncan
2013-08-09  8:46                                     ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09  8:58                                       ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09  9:53                                         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:58                           ` [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 19:01                             ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:26                       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:38                         ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:03                           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 19:02                         ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:22                           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09  2:03                         ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09  7:36                           ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2013-08-09  9:30                             ` hasufell
2013-08-09 10:27                               ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 11:31                                 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:26                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:39                                     ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:38                                       ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 12:14                                         ` vivo75
2013-08-09 13:54                                           ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 16:38                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-10 19:57                                             ` vivo75
2013-08-09 16:17                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 20:43                                             ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 11:45                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:57                                         ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 19:11                                           ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-09 19:15                                             ` Matt Turner
2013-08-09 19:17                                             ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 20:32                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 23:32                                               ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10  0:03                                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:51                                         ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 10:59                                           ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:12                                             ` Alon Bar-Lev [this message]
2013-08-10 11:38                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:37                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 11:58                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:50                                     ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:40                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 12:28                                   ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 14:22                                     ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:44                                       ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 14:50                                         ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:51                                           ` Arun Raghavan
2013-08-09 14:57                                           ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 15:02                                             ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:25                                             ` hasufell
2013-08-09 16:12                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 15:12                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:04                                             ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:42                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:51                                                 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-10 16:50                                                   ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 16:43                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 14:59                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:03                                         ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:52                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 17:45                                       ` William Hubbs
2013-08-10 10:55                                     ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:12                                       ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:59                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 12:16                                         ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-09 13:44                                   ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 12:36                                 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 13:13                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 19:34                                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-10 19:49                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-23 13:27                                         ` Steven J. Long
2013-08-23 15:54                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:49                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 14:40                                     ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:42                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 16:35                                       ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 17:06                                     ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:42                               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-09-11  9:41                             ` Olav Vitters
2013-09-11 11:15                               ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 18:12                     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09  0:27                   ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09  3:08                     ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09  9:16                     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 14:57                       ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 15:47                         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10  4:03                     ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-10  6:54                       ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 15:26             ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:05               ` Alex Xu
2013-08-08 16:09                 ` William Hubbs
     [not found]   ` < 5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org>
     [not found]     ` < CAMUzOag6DkLLn7OpBRhkHsRGFWOjvMv_WDrT+cm0S-bewT=JhQ@mail.gmail.com>
2013-08-08  6:21       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-08-08  6:26         ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08  7:05         ` KDE/semantic-desktop, was: " Andreas K. Huettel
2013-08-08 14:59           ` [gentoo-dev] Re: KDE/semantic-desktop Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:44             ` Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:52               ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 18:15                 ` Chris Reffett
2013-08-08  9:45         ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 hasufell
2013-08-08 11:23           ` Rich Freeman
     [not found]   ` < pan$a65ab$e0ddc4a9$415605ad$324469f5@cox.net>
     [not found]     ` <52033A27.2070103@sporkbox.us >
2013-08-08  8:27       ` Duncan
     [not found]   ` < 52033A27.2070103@sporkbox.us>
     [not found]     ` <pan$f2635$5ee40939$18f8a55$7afd54a5@cox.net >
2013-08-08  8:33       ` Duncan
2013-08-07 15:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08  6:19   ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 15:13     ` William Hubbs
2013-08-08  9:39 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-08  9:49   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:38   ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 20:40     ` Mike Auty
2013-08-08 21:06       ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09  0:17         ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09  0:26         ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09  6:24           ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09  9:26             ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09  9:51               ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 10:22                 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 10:35                   ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11  5:41                 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11  7:31                   ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11  7:51                     ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 11:14                       ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11  8:02                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-08 23:19       ` Greg KH
2013-08-09  0:26         ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09  9:35           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 22:46             ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 22:42           ` Wulf C. Krueger
2013-08-10 23:10             ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 23:45               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-11  1:15                 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-11  1:42                   ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11  0:01               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-11 13:41         ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-11 14:03       ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09  0:25 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-09  5:29   ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09  6:28     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09  6:27   ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-10 19:57 ` Roy Bamford

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