From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1561158041 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 00:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35F13E2AA0; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 00:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf1-x133.google.com (mail-lf1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEABFE2A96 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 00:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf1-x133.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-516d756eb74so2560972e87.3 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 17:22:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qap.la; s=google; t=1712535734; x=1713140534; darn=lists.gentoo.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=DWb6V0jU95I0f3Bf4ZOcpUX+hmW5Es4SGL5Yt2osKYA=; b=CiOZnml7zCmkHD1RkhyIgimdYKX6DK1E4c7/OhPl0BAOpS/HUQPrOoGk4NdPCfslFh LdGvmkofti8N0xsXQ9ailGhn7lfATV+3LXQ0s5cgFU6synQy4bOw3nTQ4H1n59VoUzew FsGJx8lLiQUQN4GQ//MT7gFTBNA04q7027jS6Sj8iZEz4H2b96mmdrVT2RuqRfOPd6YB H13iq7k5TuGB8D72nkCvEzlu9WX5JvXeiDDeF4rQXQj5ep89RfVXw0B+alnJDPHZ+Rt6 KaeSnQA7a7nbrlPAotU1aNEDuwMb42a342vLECemWRo6ZyJxXwOFWTKBh8At+nSctapN l8mg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1712535734; x=1713140534; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=DWb6V0jU95I0f3Bf4ZOcpUX+hmW5Es4SGL5Yt2osKYA=; b=jRCQP33AgMFJp2XyvxzaZTqwf9nxyXTk35X9NX0uOODeTb111SeDDi2dNzr/uedgbX /CD8pRgCj3u8PpQr+Knyvk10MEjTXGxdaptHnUk18GXnBJHAayeQFFXYKYpLLDgU2Fd4 GIwCsy2cIMmrtWo9wJghyy8S7vrD+Qhi8WPliAj5gb4kyagykVE41x4WjrQEt/K5FEnt nY1S4GM6R4A5H/EYesXY2bcQCPQB0f9nQB20amc+oYQcVkeuETBmZKuJTsooxfKzReh0 hQnmgQnjicOC49rMSD7sSaEok9LzXwg+RPW2iIP8+gFxEe/TUWw898ASVAw8ldh7e/P5 Mvzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwGisTZMH6M9zXCXa/uO5HbbvWulThAPEjy+/zrkXFgeNnlyd5D NbD2KfWzTdIdAEz+8xUfuDC9c4YWp1KxLvv4BmSQKehB4+Ay1bFwIXblXUehCVnVK0OnKty74kW APMt2gqrsQ10oojkRjb2st0gWOhmwfIup0WVPgMrsrnN/pwgIXEo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGxr0PwupN2OO8MmxK5ACW37LD1N8PJA+k0AbpBQfCMaG1hD+Dbe7/waFsdEK9CSImryerSaI9a7OadEBCV8F8= X-Received: by 2002:a19:3813:0:b0:516:d43e:3a74 with SMTP id f19-20020a193813000000b00516d43e3a74mr4704635lfa.7.1712535733892; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 17:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10606960.T7Z3S40VBb@noumea> <98d180b6db191830e9700d0f5b874274a3fd4755.camel@gentoo.org> <114170429.nniJfEyVGO@pinacolada> In-Reply-To: From: Alex Boag-Munroe Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 01:22:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on the 23.0 profiles To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 2a904944-8c02-4906-9ec6-cf333d2a04e1 X-Archives-Hash: f1a3a8aa8d234d3938f03196ddcfae72 On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 at 22:09, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > What I am saying is that I want the freedom to not have things > pointlessly enabled on my systems, because similar problems (and worse) > happen all day every day. The less exposure I have, the better. The > liblzma backdoor was timely because it will prevent most people from > telling me I'm being paranoid, but it could have been USE=anything on > any other day. Moving the defaults out of the high-level profiles will > give control back to the user, hence my complaint about it. > I agree, to be honest. The spirit of profiles has always felt like it switches on safe/sane defaults that you'd expect for the name (a desktop plasma profile switches on all the useful desktop USE flags, a basic profile enables the bare minimum for a bootable system, etc), giving an expected functionality in the resulting outcome of a re-merge of world. Outside of this, preferred compression tools, preferred editors etc...should be up to the user, or implied in the profile name if it's going to be switched on in the profile defaults. I don't use zstd myself, I prefer xz or lz4 depending on my purpose. It's on my system because some things I chose to have required it. It feels un-Gentoo for me to have zstd around _just because_, which the profile default would bring into play. -- Ninpo