From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F03B138247 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B0E9E0B4D; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f43.google.com (mail-qa0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 530D6E0B21 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id ii20so670172qab.2 for ; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 07:38:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=q2tREts7bjyL142OAx7hAUFiDizvIkeyeSrEeQ7nfqY=; b=Y9rqAjEvoZUAKbdk8IZWBuRK+sIcWM1aUnwIvmXjVuWi2MhEvJ965V0iJ9JMkdThsj brhNHbXCe/ErKCB/+dr0qO5MTfnQIl/GRa8TEI8XdqdfKXpRdZGYJ4+FaDYFEyWuuuF2 BQTrfXojrJAXC7j4xrEuZxJx7ZKy1UoeNSCAPbGPiKKKKWp2xNF/2ci0eey5ri+jkUxi QWsj9026BCOCiLCjM0fDucQDBnU9tZjofqMfeGezez1Cl/3oBEyh/D8frXhzK18+BbOH 4CbiUcIs24hx3IRUAm8aKGRrfHf6N1T0veUVK0yCUXK0aut/6Oo60kpoNUVwW4x5ZgeB tstQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.66.134 with SMTP id n6mr7757781qai.39.1386344295348; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 07:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.19.98 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:38:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52A1EC8F.3010505@gentoo.org> References: <20131202202845.GA8574@linux1> <529CF973.2020008@gentoo.org> <529CFAA1.7080608@gentoo.org> <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> <529F5C6C.7060704@gentoo.org> <20131204212537.GA19609@linux1> <529FBE92.4000003@gentoo.org> <20131205015656.GA20136@linux1> <52A1EC8F.3010505@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:38:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up From: Ben Kohler To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2bd8442be4e04ecdf6fb3 X-Archives-Salt: 243f0a01-2c0b-47fe-97de-456a1ab0e258 X-Archives-Hash: 21554666b1e335f789a76b37c6486f3a --001a11c2bd8442be4e04ecdf6fb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > If the stage3 could include a dhcp client and (ideally imo) netifrc, > even though they aren't a part of @system, that would help prevent the > "stuff missing, damnit, have to reboot back to livecd" cycle. Since > it isn't part of @world we would still need the documentation and > instructions for someone to explicitly choose a network provider, > otherwise they'll be bitten with it disappearing via --depclean. > > The user can still bring up networking via ifconfig or udhcpc if he happens to miss the handbook section on networking. If the user skips parts of the handbook, things may not work quite right... but the manual workaround is so trivial anyway, this is really a non-issue. Just make it clear that "emerge netifrc" is needed to use net.* scripts, and mention some alternatives. A news item would be a good idea to warn veteran "haven't used the handbook in years" people. -Ben --001a11c2bd8442be4e04ecdf6fb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org> wrote:

If the stage3 could include a dhcp client and (ideally imo) net= ifrc,
even though they aren't a part of @system, that would help prevent the<= br> "stuff missing, damnit, have to reboot back to livecd" cycle. =A0= Since
it isn't part of @world we would still need the documentation and
instructions for someone to explicitly choose a network provider,
otherwise they'll be bitten with it disappearing via --depclean.

The user can still bring up n= etworking via ifconfig or udhcpc if he happens to miss the handbook section= on networking. =A0If the user skips parts of the handbook, things may not = work quite right... but the manual workaround is so trivial anyway, this is= really a non-issue. =A0Just make it clear that "emerge netifrc" = is needed to use net.* scripts, and mention some alternatives. =A0A news it= em would be a good idea to warn veteran "haven't used the handbook= in years" people.

-Ben
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