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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:38:15 -0600
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up
From: Ben Kohler <bkohler@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>
> If the stage3 could include a dhcp client and (ideally imo) netifrc,
> even though they aren't a part of @system, that would help prevent the
> "stuff missing, damnit, have to reboot back to livecd" cycle. Since
> it isn't part of @world we would still need the documentation and
> instructions for someone to explicitly choose a network provider,
> otherwise they'll be bitten with it disappearing via --depclean.
>
> The user can still bring up networking via ifconfig or udhcpc if he
happens to miss the handbook section on networking. If the user skips
parts of the handbook, things may not work quite right... but the manual
workaround is so trivial anyway, this is really a non-issue. Just make it
clear that "emerge netifrc" is needed to use net.* scripts, and mention
some alternatives. A news item would be a good idea to warn veteran
"haven't used the handbook in years" people.
-Ben
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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ian Stakenvicius <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
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</div></div>If the stage3 could include a dhcp client and (ideally imo) net=
ifrc,<br>
even though they aren't a part of @system, that would help prevent the<=
br>
"stuff missing, damnit, have to reboot back to livecd" cycle. =A0=
Since<br>
it isn't part of @world we would still need the documentation and<br>
instructions for someone to explicitly choose a network provider,<br>
otherwise they'll be bitten with it disappearing via --depclean.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br></div></blockquote><div>The user can still bring up n=
etworking via ifconfig or udhcpc if he happens to miss the handbook section=
on networking. =A0If the user skips parts of the handbook, things may not =
work quite right... but the manual workaround is so trivial anyway, this is=
really a non-issue. =A0Just make it clear that "emerge netifrc" =
is needed to use net.* scripts, and mention some alternatives. =A0A news it=
em would be a good idea to warn veteran "haven't used the handbook=
in years" people.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Ben</div></div></div></div>
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