From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885291381FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E9BCE097D; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED134E0970 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id j15so7442540qaq.9 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 09:42:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dEOoIjekrlKicbIwlP44T+TXyIvfzXeR5Yi5IPDgiF8=; b=ahnoN7Op0+TrSzsweVC3FVD98kBLGvl/4Jms+RbV6pzXkbNZlBjrj+3QNIwS6tbkWF iCi0zDak5yjObe0cGV1vHdoWOhv/Hk4+Uq9GbEy2woV3vGEeUobXN5pXduK27FtpofcU /Zb5oz6w0uho5DzLqhA7CMNYMis1QIZXfeNkzYYuoLbZRZRO/Qf8GKo7X5xoCVTq76QS rAL+WbNHx1aeddOhfnTF35NCYcFWvDyXkWbNAjn0NkMhdqwrmS9Q0jM6x/c2iqSN008U JHmlOhYNBGDK4/ixcTxJO2nsOKPpg2bgV1kTB9HKF4NA08EmsXYFeAq4YZ5djPBBSsX8 WzYg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.43.100 with SMTP id d91mr69738053qga.11.1401900133230; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 09:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.141.34 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:42:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <538F4828.3070701@gentoo.org> References: <538DED0F.8010709@gentoo.org> <1401812396.19408.4.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> <20140603185813.18588.qmail@stuge.se> <538E26F6.2000801@gentoo.org> <538E2EEB.1080309@gmail.com> <538F4828.3070701@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 11:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for upower From: Ben Kohler To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a989c73b0dd04fb054f84 X-Archives-Salt: b33603af-0c6a-44ba-8612-e9adbc8fd404 X-Archives-Hash: 7f676b79c82d891eadb9516f05b3f384 --001a113a989c73b0dd04fb054f84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > > Wrong. I'm always using the -t (--tree) flag with Portage and I would > have seen upower being the culprit immediately, > and second command would have been `eix upower` to see available > versions, at which point I would have seen > upower-pm-utils, and figured it out. > > - Samuli > > I'm glad this fire has mostly been put out, but I think you are making quite a leap here that normal users can "see upower-pm-utils, and figure it out". You may be too close to this problem to understand just how confusing it is to everyone else. No offense intended. -Ben --001a113a989c73b0dd04fb054f84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --001a113a989c73b0dd04fb054f84--