From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B1A138010 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB4D2E065A; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F923E0638 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hz11so4783570vcb.9 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TzQ1PVgUEuJnXy99F6wKtHR9nA7MWUcps5G27a3nGqs=; b=oQlcUvIlnhNsd9tLhxvOwN2yBEhhn4jm7qYedzsaiRLceVxu7W6vYprnTl13kyWyrv keTE3JKgcjBOsQnWE6mdiM+AO7shZUCTE+32Ka96iAL9N0KG/6cpQvU60/SPbP61rx1N M8CVgrcyaawkfmN45hFCo8/2uLOVCO5h1im/yuLzFkSSgNnBFXSPvIBy8IwR5lPnTodQ eYDwFtxNiqScjfiBPRCkNpCV5uFhkxarbXimFzx+L+ts09ssqhTmi0kTBtSULU2SnrGU Ha3U0EjeKX6btgUXMrFq4NLQhLYSbc5Vw3P+aJmT4kU2975yOjdHtIr+ja0TWA9gDyrJ 2WKA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.205.179 with SMTP id lh19mr15553457vec.7.1364221432707; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.0.133 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201303232128.35768.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <514EE479.7020205@plaimi.net> <514F5833.3080805@plaimi.net> <514F6829.2050101@plaimi.net> <20130325093213.GB113529@skade.schwarzvogel.de> <515036B3.5070903@plaimi.net> <20130325122045.GA54342@skade.schwarzvogel.de> <51504354.8080206@plaimi.net> <20130325124930.GA84960@skade.schwarzvogel.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:23:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed From: Ben Kohler To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011841a0e4414a04d8c08d2e X-Archives-Salt: a97fdb35-4adc-4125-b1bd-67776b4abf0b X-Archives-Hash: e227f10ede435078ca1dce721d0b227f --089e011841a0e4414a04d8c08d2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Tend to agree. To install Gentoo you really just need a shell, the > ability to partition and create filesystems, some basic networking > (even that is somewhat optional), and a text editor. Sure, a browser > and such is a real nice-to-have, as would be something nicer than > nano, but you really don't need them to install Gentoo. As an experienced user, it's fairly easy to run through the basic gentoo install procedure from just about any root-on-linux login prompt you can find. But like it or not, some new users do depend on a certain amount of consistency and and blindly-trusted copy-paste-ability. Even the gentoo-based sysresccd deviates enough to make things interesting at times. As cool as zsh is, having it as the default shell (with non-gentoo-standard prompt) IS going to throw some people for a loop. Not to mention the polluted environment issues (ie $path set after chroot). I think it's important that our officially-endorsed iso stays closely tied to the "standard gentoo" setup. For the new user experience, I don't think "any old linux iso will do just fine" applies. BTW I just quoted your one paragraph because I definitely agree with everything else you said. -Ben --089e011841a0e4414a04d8c08d2e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gento= o.org> wrote:

Tend to agree. =A0To install Gentoo you really just need a shell, the=
ability to partition and create filesystems, some basic networking
(even that is somewhat optional), and a text editor. =A0Sure, a browser
and such is a real nice-to-have, as would be something nicer than
nano, but you really don't need them to install Gentoo.

As an experienced user, it's fairly easy to run = through the basic gentoo install procedure from just about any root-on-linu= x login prompt you can find. =A0But like it or not, some new users do depen= d on a certain amount of consistency and and blindly-trusted copy-paste-abi= lity. =A0Even the gentoo-based sysresccd deviates enough to make things int= eresting at times. =A0As cool as zsh is, having it as the default shell (wi= th non-gentoo-standard prompt) IS going to throw some people for a loop. = =A0Not to mention the polluted environment issues (ie $path set after chroo= t). =A0I think it's important that our officially-endorsed iso stays cl= osely tied to the "standard gentoo" setup. =A0For the new user ex= perience, I don't think "any old linux iso will do just fine"= applies.

BTW I just quoted your one paragraph becaus= e I definitely agree with everything else you said.

-Ben

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