From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SSL6W-0004ZJ-2s for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:35:52 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDD8DE0A40; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gg0-f181.google.com (mail-gg0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD90EE08A5 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnl1 with SMTP id l1so835045ggn.40 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 21:34:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=D1PbnrdNq3a8oR5t5JGYcPVuN3BV8Ywij9UdDmefc2w=; b=p2WMyu4gd5JyeU59AMWY6KjW0q/5EY+lCd8CYuwQ82MrC61QqNJJoEfJzS1AF5PkIi grSDbHjVV6oXGWvTZHTzNjjVcGufq8ZaIBwy4EZRnh6Pbbcbn7COqrJOT9vwWAqOKHZg Nr1HYKIxjMQ48+5W2+IFHR+6JYWZpUoB0vgzhpfik1J58138kxfPjsUN8EUkKs7Xj/dK neFavESQHXq2i+xtNB+j+lDwcoDfBVlhlb1P1M/YmdisES9CAKc2UN+9zWtYujXhSmqm gOgp+7zUshlor3X7JwRH0XIC5bVr/p1DvcEm3pKjCjpB35ZZf6b8N5mYBjXw3Lp9f7SH RJow== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.45.197 with SMTP id p5mr1367397igm.73.1336624488926; Wed, 09 May 2012 21:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lxnay@sabayonlinux.org Received: by 10.231.37.77 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 21:34:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120509223630.GA29213@kroah.com> References: <4F85E21C.4060106@gentoo.org> <20120423012540.GA2130@waltdnes.org> <20120505010529.GD22763@kroah.com> <20120509183203.GA27545@kroah.com> <20120509223630.GA29213@kroah.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 06:34:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oPC2z2X17AuOzm1hxu5_aehB-G8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012] From: Fabio Erculiani To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm3cHrkEfqhP/b1JlhNlEP7N5KJYuVo3U4i/kixvnk8r1OITXKLKVQtu/Pj7DEfPFMnRZpW X-Archives-Salt: d0ee1acf-af82-48e1-8e99-2a078d1fe2e0 X-Archives-Hash: ed2a62aefcd9e4930436d4adfc221cdd I think expressing my own opinion about Lennart-made software is my right, after all. Firstly, it's almost impossible nowadays to avoid including avahi, systemd and pulseaudio into a desktop distro so, there is no real choice. This issue became a sensible matter for those users who for instance, wanted to have a silly mp3 player working without going through the PA nonsense, really missing the old ALSA-oh-it-was-always-working days. If you want to bring complexity but you end up not being able to handle it, then you're not a really good engineer, IMHO. Having said that, I also wonder where's the lovely modularity the various *nix platforms had. If this is the actual direction of Linux Foundation, Redhat and Canonical, I am worried that Linux would end up being an OSX-wannabe. Of course, I am not only bringing my personal opinion here, but the one of the majority of users I've been talking with. I am not against changes, I am actually in favor of them, but only when they really make sense and solve problems, which it doesn't seem the case lately. I didn't want to offend anyone, but just having fun (sigh) of IMHO bad design decisions. -- Fabio Erculiani