From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5343D1381F3 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78B3EE093A; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f176.google.com (mail-we0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74095E08E6 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id p58so852931wes.7 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 02:42:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=eHY0IUnOFzXCYD9WGRxpO0Stq8ggg9JwXF6DQ1UJot4=; b=gI94ddbS1WOkJwvzIGHgKRGBU8Q1ZDlajimOGYP+Le4s4em78CKT32XUA7eWHzlZHN i/wJ6jCMSxp31QnJw8SRTA9CUH5IPpUUcPj14xbM1A/pCwDWxuFXlYZRJsVPAT/Bhj4c dDc26RNMwIg8+ZjLHK6iGVVLmqjjiHNrlDuv9xpAJ9Klbf3r6sruiu7U0KCNUc72v3LU wVvgxPrsOOBsbVjKL693s2MpNv9MNtSupIon/rBv+6OlragKaLQWdWUgaCq0+KEaNjXI 8Lb+xo7lPipxbavSvraNFwcME3vrybfwuSKRldffy4TeuQxVOrpuipk53q0llpJPd+l4 w5RA== X-Received: by 10.194.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr4773432wjf.53.1368870144035; Sat, 18 May 2013 02:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lxnay@sabayonlinux.org Received: by 10.194.120.194 with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 02:41:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130518034518.GA1466@linux1> References: <518A8901.6030302@gmail.com> <20130510094500.62b0c958@sera-20.lan> <5191F8B7.9080006@gentoo.org> <20130515141755.4d53f21e@gentoo.org> <20130515181813.GA27396@waltdnes.org> <20130516012008.GC8711@linux1> <519436FA.3070605@gentoo.org> <20130517005841.GA1491@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <20130518034518.GA1466@linux1> From: Fabio Erculiani Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:41:42 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: O9wYsrKXiIaCU8opCGBnAQGb0R8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkYrPcpw16SrfZZFjfgQri6Wt+QIUEue9HFzfbhNARqxbfkSTLfQv7itvN276aijyF+zvyg X-Archives-Salt: 32f3e95d-9e66-4034-bb0d-34bfc4ecd677 X-Archives-Hash: 2ae66f8f431a7f5a3ac477c736fa38d2 Good news. I've been able to make logind work with OpenRC and GNOME 3.6 (which means that GNOME 3.8 can work as well). Disclaimer: I use systemd as device manager. I don't know if my logind (there is a bug about it) works with udev without further hacking. See: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107663298003289209275/posts/TxjqZkniR9f Now, the problem is that, as I wrote before, we're more and more drifting away from what upstream is supporting. Today the source of all our troubles is just GNOME, I am afraid that tomorrow it will expand beyond it. There are technical advantages for both distro makers and desktop environment makers in using systemd (besides the disadvantages). For instance, having a centralized tool for collecting system and user logs is certainly something that would make our job easier, having working (or mostly working) "init scripts" provided directly by upstream projects would reduce our maintenance burden in the long run. Anyway, I'm not trying to convince anybody in using either init systems, I am just suggesting that you should try both and decide yourself. Which translated, is the same goal as making systemd more accessible to you. -- Fabio Erculiani