From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SDx8Q-0003EH-0H for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:10:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B797E0EA1; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AC8E0E8C for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenq2 with SMTP id q2so911856yen.40 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tiI1361DrXEnGkkr5d67ZPuYzDyJLj5UqeEPPz6Ns6E=; b=by5R1+0hG0w2Vpv4xdIQaLi6J2iD+xKc6k7bvC6ILRy3eW23ILpgsMkGfK9bHcrDBj eRnB3/CDH7tsoVXeSCTkhRRh6S7VD0C5eHet6gJjmqnMtHcyMVVLJdzd9TIcbTC8ihR8 QNUJCNlME8EGHD85ZCUE8aKK79+lAXn+IloZVSFbLSa8ObcvJXVJWSz3BaLGfjC9dAre fHJFAyWNX+Qe/3u2AaQz626pYmoDl/K43OhCWh+e2GRJvayBzr1A9j200GlSd7s5ib5H pZQ6prVaMktJ/QY9ocfT7Dg68+bhQPZ8DbiL5uOKjb+AL6OZF5gzlPbKGjEMp8w6l7Uu gAHA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.180.65 with SMTP id i41mr1510101yhm.48.1333195709342; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.136.136 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.136.136 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120331105253.4a00ebcc@googlemail.com> References: <20120330150041.c3f7684c.axel@james-b.ch> <4F75B45F.2050108@gentoo.org> <4F76226B.1020507@gentoo.org> <4F762BCF.9010204@cs.stonybrook.edu> <20120331085622.5650ca62@googlemail.com> <20120331105253.4a00ebcc@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:08:29 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Happy 10th birthday (in advance) From: Alex Alexander To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305e2437abe58a04bc88d0f8 X-Archives-Salt: c2dc7505-a6af-46cf-b9dc-42a0bad63276 X-Archives-Hash: 6b7e905f63a1b1838e768272a6699556 --20cf305e2437abe58a04bc88d0f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mar 31, 2012 12:57 PM, "Ciaran McCreesh" wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:44:03 +0300 > Alex Alexander wrote: > > @preserved-libs works very well and is awesome. hack or not. IMO it > > should be in stable already. I've been using it on stable production > > boxes for years without any issues :) > > ...and here we see the problem. You think that "I haven't noticed it > break" means "it works". > > The problem with preserved-libs (and emerge --jobs, for that matter) is > that the design is "I can think of a few ways where it might break, so > I'll hard-code in special cases to handle those, but in general I > can't think of what other problems there are so it's fine". That's a > bad way of doing things. > > -- > Ciaran McCreesh No. I didn't say I think it works, I said I have proof it works. You can argue about the implementation details all you want and it'll still work. If you can make it better then, by all means, send a patch. Otherwise stop spreading false FUD, please. Thanks :) Alex | wired --20cf305e2437abe58a04bc88d0f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Mar 31, 2012 12:57 PM, "Ciaran McCreesh" <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:44:03 +0300
> Alex Alexander <alex.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
> > @preserved-libs works very well and is awesome. hack or not. IMO it
> > should be in stable already. I've been using it on stable production
> > boxes for years without any issues :)
>
> ...and here we see the problem. You think that "I haven't noticed it
> break" means "it works".
>
> The problem with preserved-libs (and emerge --jobs, for that matter) is
> that the design is "I can think of a few ways where it might break, so
> I'll hard-code in special cases to handle those, but in general I
> can't think of what other problems there are so it's fine". That's a
> bad way of doing things.
>
> --
> Ciaran McCreesh

No. I didn't say I think it works, I said I have proof it works.

You can argue about the implementation details all you want and it'll still work.

If you can make it better then, by all means, send a patch. Otherwise stop spreading false FUD, please.

Thanks :)

Alex | wired

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