From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931BF1381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 02:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5729AE0B49; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 02:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67926E0B40 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 02:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id j13so2158240wgh.14 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:51:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=BLgJ+B8OT8Z8+xHiSiEKFK98HYM4cC/YoTMEyFqAqS4=; b=Sbom3KzGiuBoaOO1nROZtSHZ8M4HIo0aotNSgYJyOew6uPt/hxSZu9vQL9Y2oKIOj3 K3k2DU5PW+txRUN0mDbogfjcPUjph3b4SEjSq2CeSuP5gbs3fdWRefSctrnJZ/g5hYFK oUhREwvmmCMP4113xwaDbwXdc6hVsMjb4HZsR5nTUM/HSAPvzmmCh0dzfkEnpT7hY9zp X4jm8sn7CBqq3yuhBhMWeA7yTShfyjMGu7kD4IobSGGtxm9M6j10XHm8hpYm/BG6MuXu F1ph2CbbigZlxT5RjPlEzAY7ffh+n1IcHcORfvXeVTiunzkDLVqSc0sUpCl4m2GCwDpm s6bQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.11.146 with SMTP id q18mr3778849wib.50.1375930299027; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: alex.alexander@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.0.142 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:51:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <1375881254.7753.41.camel@rook> <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 05:51:38 +0300 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3GBh3rG9Jh1ooxc7AsI8-UpEpKg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 From: Alex Alexander To: Gentoo-dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c24d16b5991104e366bc76 X-Archives-Salt: 7b688135-40b8-41dd-997e-e1386fdcc693 X-Archives-Hash: ccd0c5f18876a9582ea7eb15dc03194c --001a11c24d16b5991104e366bc76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 08/07/2013 09:14 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > > On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 14:45 +0200, Michael Weber wrote: > >> Greetings, > >> > >> Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires > >> systemd. > >> > >> What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this > >> restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this > >> eye-candy as well. > >> > >> I raise the freedom of choice card here. And deliberately choosing an > >> uncooperative version doesn't shine a good light. > >> > >> Facts, pls! > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478252 > > > > To stabilize gnome-3.6, we would need > > 1. one or (preferably) two *active* gentoo developers; > > 2. who are familiar with gnome's internals and are able to backport > > bugfixes from 3.8/3.10 without support from upstream developers; and > > 3. who volunteer to run openrc+gnome-3.6 for a long time on their main > > machines so that they can give a stable 3.6 the support that the word > > 'stable' implies. > > > > We do not have such people on the gnome team. > > > > Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by > the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision. > > It'll cause lots of pain for users that suddenly can't start lvm > properly and other nasty landmines hidden in the "upgrade path". By > stabilizing this early you're causing lots of extra work for others. > > I hope you understand that some of us will be very rude and just suggest > to unmerge gnome on all support requests as it now moves outside our > support range ... > > Have a nice day, > > Patrick > Although I understand your frustration, I don't see any other options for the Gentoo gnome team. People who don't like this should take their complaints upstream. -- Alex Alexander + wired + www.linuxized.com + www.leetworks.com --001a11c24d16b5991104e366bc76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Patrick Lauer <patrick@g= entoo.org> wrote:
On 0= 8/07/2013 09:14 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 14:45 +0200, Michael Weber wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requi= res
>> systemd.
>>
>> What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this=
>> restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this >> eye-candy as well.
>>
>> I raise the freedom of choice card here. And deliberately choosing= an
>> uncooperative version doesn't shine a good light.
>>
>> Facts, pls!
>>
>> =A0 =A0Michael
>>
>> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D478252
>
> To stabilize gnome-3.6, we would need
> 1. one or (preferably) two *active* gentoo developers;
> 2. who are familiar with gnome's internals and are able to backpor= t
> bugfixes from 3.8/3.10 without support from upstream developers; and > 3. who volunteer to run openrc+gnome-3.6 for a long time on their main=
> machines so that they can give a stable 3.6 the support that the word<= br> > 'stable' implies.
>
> We do not have such people on the gnome team.
>

Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the = kidney by
the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision.

It'll cause lots of pain for users that suddenly can't start lvm properly and other nasty landmines hidden in the "upgrade path". = By
stabilizing this early you're causing lots of extra work for others.
I hope you understand that some of us will be very rude and just suggest to unmerge gnome on all support requests as it now moves outside our
support range ...

Have a nice day,

Patrick

Although I understa= nd your frustration, I don't see any other options for the Gentoo gnome= team. People who don't like this should take their complaints upstream= .

--
Alex Alexander
+ wired
+ www.linuxized.com
= + www.leetworks.com<= /a>
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