From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7ya4-0001Ld-7j for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:30:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE859E089B; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com (mail-gy0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5ABE0B96 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbz13 with SMTP id z13so3058115ghb.40 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:29:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wFDd7vQnOqZFRgKiqjNXFSLug4nOvRhH1wQNJgtYbkU=; b=rItANJfrg6y8UCu1vHuTfAIxWKNYPsZIsJCHwUA5SOCMXOkQzgl2L/4hNwPq2A/yBP coluDg1kGwel8boZPiSuFyilj+gNEAp2+JkCp1nk+KBx6xiFE+0iAWsy9Qyzpt9Ig6tg HK679xLYpM93uTTk4RKLcPwWYudxCWA4MuYdAkBRxlebTblzM6NDA6exg3etV3S+Ct/V BYhu4V2hY8/o0JIkZCAqnpKRfD2keWsYLAkMpkE2iIjQkUjPnK4wWWrR1sH+PnxHs5nj V0RpXqX7lv+e4RIo2LpLXnWh1GXtdi3UoLg/Ii/9r+rKFLeK4AWJA35aCDbfYNNywgKe dXcA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.124.3 with SMTP id w3mr5596885yhh.101.1331771353288; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.86.14 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:29:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120314234433.GB29474@kroah.com> References: <4F60D585.4050206@gentoo.org> <4F60E9C1.7050600@gentoo.org> <20120314210456.GB11179@kroah.com> <20120314225117.GB12279@kroah.com> <20120314234433.GB29474@kroah.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! From: David Leverton To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: a3ea2867-1c71-4c2e-b08b-28168277540f X-Archives-Hash: dc48b5fc9fd62f167d3abdfe5152eb71 On 14 March 2012 23:44, Greg KH wrote: > Oh, and somehow "consensus" will work? =C2=A0No, sorry, it will not. No, logical analysis will, as I said in the rest of my post which you conveniently ignored - either we conclude with evidence that there are no issues, which should settle the matter for reasonable people, or we discover that there are, in which case they have to be dealt with one way or another. I really don't see how anyone can object to that, unless they're worried they won't like the result.... > How about the basic FACT that today, such systems do not work This is debatable at best. You can keep screaming "but bluetooth won't work!" until you're blue in the face, but that's not relevant at all to people who don't use bluetooth. > and are not supported by a wide range of packages we support today. Isn't such support being removed by the same people who keep arguing that it's already not supported? That's like cutting half your employees' pay, and then insisting that you have to choice but to cut the other half's pay as well, in order to be fair. > Yes, some people are "lucky" in that their systems don't have those > packages, but others are not. =C2=A0The simple "I use a bluetooth keyboar= d" > is one such example. People who only have a bluetooth keyboard can set their systems up in such a way that it works, just like how people who have / on lvm can set their systems up in such a way that that works. That's not in itself a reason to force it on everyone. > It is strange to watch people somehow think that if they complain > enough, or feel strongly enough, something is going to change here to > make this basic fact go away. If by "the basic fact" you mean that plenty of people are quite happy doing what's worked just fine for years, then yes.