From: David Leverton <levertond@googlemail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:21:44 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALc3eMUoSbZoHbky_b7MiakTHiupoNXEtZNL3JjXQMmraRwRjQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120314225117.GB12279@kroah.com>
On 14 March 2012 22:51, Greg KH <gregkh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Oh, that's simple, separate-/usr-without-initramfs will not work and
> will not be supported :)
See, it's this "we're doing it this way because we know best and we
say so" that upsets people. I'm trying to encourage everyone to get
to the core reasons for having a separate /usr in the first place (not
all of which are guaranteed to be mentioned on any specific wiki
page), and logically analyse the potential disadvantages of using an
initramfs in each situation. It may turn out that there are no
disadvantages after all, but the analysis is still important, not only
to make sure that "we"'re making the right decision, but also to
persuade everyone else that it's the right decision.
> Again, the fact that it works for some people today is pure luck, and
> odds are, it really isn't, but it's really hard to determine this given
> that the init system they are using doesn't provide a good feedback loop
> for this type of thing.
Maybe it would be worth improving the init system to do so? Or maybe
it wouldn't because using an initramfs is easier and has no drawbacks,
but see above.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-14 23:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-11 2:27 [gentoo-dev] newsitem: unmasking udev-181 William Hubbs
2012-03-11 2:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2012-03-11 3:28 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11 3:50 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-11 5:12 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-11 17:33 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 17:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2012-03-11 18:00 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-13 1:22 ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 1:37 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-13 2:16 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 2:33 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13 3:14 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 3:53 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 5:17 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 0:20 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 0:52 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 13:36 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-13 10:31 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-13 11:54 ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14 0:16 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 8:39 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 12:40 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 14:41 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 14:51 ` Philip Webb
2012-03-14 15:04 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 15:22 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:59 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 21:00 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 16:28 ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-15 13:22 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 17:11 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 17:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 17:58 ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-14 18:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 18:36 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 18:56 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-14 19:26 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 19:57 ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 21:04 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 22:14 ` David Leverton
2012-03-14 22:51 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:21 ` David Leverton [this message]
2012-03-14 23:44 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:58 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 0:07 ` Greg KH
2012-03-15 0:29 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 11:20 ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-15 12:23 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:01 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 23:47 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 0:36 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 0:45 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 0:49 ` David Leverton
2012-03-15 12:27 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 15:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 0:58 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 1:06 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 1:49 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 23:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-16 23:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:16 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:09 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 22:39 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 22:49 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:27 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 23:37 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 23:51 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 1:07 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 1:37 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 1:44 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 1:17 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-16 1:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-15 5:18 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15 8:13 ` Martin Gysel
2012-03-15 12:40 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 20:44 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-17 7:12 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-19 5:21 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 12:34 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 20:45 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 21:49 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 20:03 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-14 20:55 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 21:05 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-15 4:10 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-15 12:47 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 13:36 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 19:30 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-15 5:04 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 17:59 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 5:24 ` Luca Barbato
2012-03-15 12:51 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 20:12 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 11:04 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 12:30 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 13:05 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 14:42 ` Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:04 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 19:17 ` [gentoo-dev] /dev/serial/ (was "Let's redesign the entire filesystem!") Greg KH
2012-03-15 19:41 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-15 14:41 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Greg KH
2012-03-16 0:47 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-16 2:43 ` Greg KH
2012-03-16 3:01 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-16 15:18 ` Greg KH
2012-03-16 17:00 ` Michael Orlitzky
[not found] ` <7c08803524244ff0808d16539b8f9926@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-03-16 22:41 ` Richard Yao
2012-03-13 14:41 ` [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181] Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-13 23:12 ` James Broadhead
2012-03-14 12:00 ` James Cloos
2012-03-14 17:52 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 18:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-14 20:10 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-15 6:33 ` Duncan
2012-03-15 13:07 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-13 5:11 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181 Luca Barbato
2012-03-14 0:13 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 8:03 ` Duncan
2012-03-14 12:07 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 18:43 ` Duncan
2012-03-14 21:13 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 13:10 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-15 21:49 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 3:44 ` Dale
2012-03-11 5:48 ` Duncan
2012-03-11 11:03 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 15:33 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-11 21:28 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 21:43 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 21:48 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 23:15 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-12 12:37 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:01 ` Matthias Hanft
2012-03-12 19:32 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 14:34 ` Petteri Räty
2012-03-11 22:57 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 8:43 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-13 9:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-14 0:29 ` Joshua Kinard
2012-03-14 0:36 ` Stelian Ionescu
2012-03-14 1:04 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 1:14 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-14 13:02 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-13 10:32 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 6:49 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11 21:08 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-11 23:03 ` Duncan
2012-03-11 23:14 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-12 9:02 ` Duncan
2012-03-12 14:09 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-12 19:41 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-03-13 2:06 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-12 18:34 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-03-13 2:04 ` Ryan Hill
2012-03-11 8:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 8:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11 9:36 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 10:43 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-11 17:26 ` William Hubbs
2012-03-11 18:08 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-11 23:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-03-12 20:50 ` [gentoo-dev] " Robin H. Johnson
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