From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RUJMs-00031A-NW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:36:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE8EF21C038; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D72EE0512 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com (mail-yw0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tetromino) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F7251B403D for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywm19 with SMTP id 19so3883982ywm.40 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.33.134 with SMTP id r6mr36818555pbi.76.1322318157200; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:35:57 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.171.6 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:35:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Alexandre Rostovtsev Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:35:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Gentoo News file about GNOME 3.2's unmasking To: Nirbheek Chauhan Cc: Rich Freeman , Gentoo Dev , pr@gentoo.org, gnome Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: caf77a12-0412-418d-9b8e-1b405f4d0b0d X-Archives-Hash: 31fbd7f3bff1babc8406c9ddf6f79cef On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> Since GNOME 3 is already in the >>> tree, and the news file content is straightforward, I'd like to commit >>> this in 24hrs if there are no problems. >> >> If we're gong to go to all the trouble to create upgrade guides and >> news/etc, wouldn't it make sense to send out the news item a few days >> BEFORE making the change? >> > > That was indeed the intention, but there was a miscommunication. On my part, it was a failure of imagination. I had always seen large changes dumped in ~arch with no warning or documentation (even the png15 upgrade didn't get a news item until libpng-1.5.x went stable), and so unquestioningly came to assume that it's the way things are done because that's the way things were always done. Then some hours after gnome-3 was unmasked, I saw Nirbheek talking on IRC about making a news item, and winced: of course! why didn't I think of that? As an ~arch user, I had not particularly enjoyed massive changes being dumped on my head without warning, so now that I was a developer and it was in my power to write news items, why didn't I think of writing one before unmasking? -Alexandre