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* [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty
@ 2012-03-04 12:47 Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 12:51 ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 13:06 ` [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty Ulrich Mueller
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-04 12:47 UTC (permalink / raw
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Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like herds
are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think we should drop
that herds and move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week or so.

What do you think? 


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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty
  2012-03-04 12:47 [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-04 12:51 ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 12:56   ` [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup " Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 13:06 ` [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty Ulrich Mueller
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-04 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw
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El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like herds
> are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think we should drop
> that herds and move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> 
> What do you think? 
> 

The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-04 12:51 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-04 12:56   ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-09  8:02     ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-04 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like herds
> > are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think we should drop
> > that herds and move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > 
> > What do you think? 
> > 
> 
> The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(

and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty
  2012-03-04 12:47 [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 12:51 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-04 13:06 ` Ulrich Mueller
  2012-03-04 13:31   ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2012-03-04 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

>>>>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012, Pacho Ramos wrote:

> Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> herds are empty.

Sorry for nitpicking, but a "herd" is a collection of packages. So the
herds are not empty, but they have no maintainers.

> If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think we should drop that
> herds and move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week or so.

> What do you think? 

How many packages are in these two herds? If it's only a few, then
this certainly makes sense.

Ulrich



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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty
  2012-03-04 13:06 ` [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty Ulrich Mueller
@ 2012-03-04 13:31   ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 13:34     ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 14:11     ` Dirkjan Ochtman
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-04 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 14:06 +0100, Ulrich Mueller escribió:
> >>>>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> 
> > Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> > herds are empty.
> 
> Sorry for nitpicking, but a "herd" is a collection of packages. So the
> herds are not empty, but they have no maintainers.

Well, I knew what a "herd" means exactly per devmanual ;), but, in real
world, that "collection of packages" is really orphan (are like
maintainer-needed packages but, what is worse, out of radar as they are
not listed as orphan at all)

(Personally I completely disagree with that sense of "herd" but, as
looks the meaning is there since the beginning...)

> 
> > If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think we should drop that
> > herds and move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> 
> > What do you think? 
> 
> How many packages are in these two herds? If it's only a few, then
> this certainly makes sense.
> 
> Ulrich
> 
> 

Only two for net-zope, but many more for, for example, sgml and
media-optical.

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty
  2012-03-04 13:31   ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-04 13:34     ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 14:11     ` Dirkjan Ochtman
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-04 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 14:31 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 14:06 +0100, Ulrich Mueller escribió:
> > >>>>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > 
> > > Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> > > herds are empty.
> > 
> > Sorry for nitpicking, but a "herd" is a collection of packages. So the
> > herds are not empty, but they have no maintainers.
> 
> Well, I knew what a "herd" means exactly per devmanual ;), but, in real
> world, that "collection of packages" is really orphan (are like
> maintainer-needed packages but, what is worse, out of radar as they are
> not listed as orphan at all)
> 

Also, after re-reading devmanual, being 100% strict that collection of
packages need to be "associated to a set of maintainers" (that is
currently not the case :( )

> (Personally I completely disagree with that sense of "herd" but, as
> looks the meaning is there since the beginning...)
> 
> > 
> > > If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think we should drop that
> > > herds and move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > 
> > > What do you think? 
> > 
> > How many packages are in these two herds? If it's only a few, then
> > this certainly makes sense.
> > 
> > Ulrich
> > 
> > 
> 
> Only two for net-zope, but many more for, for example, sgml and
> media-optical.



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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty
  2012-03-04 13:31   ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-04 13:34     ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-04 14:11     ` Dirkjan Ochtman
  2012-03-18 17:04       ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Dirkjan Ochtman @ 2012-03-04 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 14:31, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Only two for net-zope, but many more for, for example, sgml and
> media-optical.

We just cleaned out most of the net-zope packages. The remaining
net-zope packages will be maintained by the python team; the net-zope
herd can probably be removed.

Cheers,

Dirkjan



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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-04 12:56   ` [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup " Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-09  8:02     ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-09 15:57       ` Michał Górny
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-09  8:02 UTC (permalink / raw
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El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like herds
> > > are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think we should drop
> > > that herds and move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > > 
> > > What do you think? 
> > > 
> > 
> > The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
> 
> and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now

Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
- Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
reflect reality)
- Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports

The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages to
maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want

What do you prefer?
 

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-09  8:02     ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-09 15:57       ` Michał Górny
  2012-03-09 16:08         ` Dirkjan Ochtman
  2012-03-09 19:48         ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Michał Górny @ 2012-03-09 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: pacho

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On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:02:23 +0100
Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:

> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > > Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> > > > herds are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think
> > > > we should drop that herds and move their packages to
> > > > maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you think? 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
> > 
> > and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now
> 
> Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
> - Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
> reflect reality)
> - Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports
> 
> The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages
> to maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want

For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
the herd.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-09 15:57       ` Michał Górny
@ 2012-03-09 16:08         ` Dirkjan Ochtman
  2012-03-09 19:48         ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Dirkjan Ochtman @ 2012-03-09 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: pacho

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 16:57, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
> removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
> the herd.

+1.

Cheers,

Dirkjan



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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-09 15:57       ` Michał Górny
  2012-03-09 16:08         ` Dirkjan Ochtman
@ 2012-03-09 19:48         ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-09 20:02           ` Samuli Suominen
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-09 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 16:57 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:02:23 +0100
> Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > > El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > > > Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> > > > > herds are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think
> > > > > we should drop that herds and move their packages to
> > > > > maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What do you think? 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
> > > 
> > > and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now
> > 
> > Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
> > - Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
> > reflect reality)
> > - Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports
> > 
> > The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages
> > to maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want
> 
> For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
> removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
> the herd.
> 

OK but, what about the rest? ;)

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-09 19:48         ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-09 20:02           ` Samuli Suominen
  2012-03-09 20:15             ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Samuli Suominen @ 2012-03-09 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On 03/09/2012 09:48 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 16:57 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
>> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:02:23 +0100
>> Pacho Ramos<pacho@gentoo.org>  wrote:
>>
>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
>>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
>>>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
>>>>>> Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
>>>>>> herds are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think
>>>>>> we should drop that herds and move their packages to
>>>>>> maintainer-needed in a week or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
>>>>
>>>> and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now
>>>
>>> Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
>>> - Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
>>> reflect reality)
>>> - Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports
>>>
>>> The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages
>>> to maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want
>>
>> For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
>> removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
>> the herd.
>>
>
> OK but, what about the rest? ;)

Please leave at least media-optical@ be as it is. Changing it doesn't 
make any sense.



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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-09 20:02           ` Samuli Suominen
@ 2012-03-09 20:15             ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-09 20:21               ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-09 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 22:02 +0200, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> On 03/09/2012 09:48 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 16:57 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> >> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:02:23 +0100
> >> Pacho Ramos<pacho@gentoo.org>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> >>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> >>>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> >>>>>> Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> >>>>>> herds are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think
> >>>>>> we should drop that herds and move their packages to
> >>>>>> maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you think?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
> >>>>
> >>>> and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now
> >>>
> >>> Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
> >>> - Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
> >>> reflect reality)
> >>> - Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports
> >>>
> >>> The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages
> >>> to maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want
> >>
> >> For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
> >> removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
> >> the herd.
> >>
> >
> > OK but, what about the rest? ;)
> 
> Please leave at least media-optical@ be as it is. Changing it doesn't 
> make any sense.
> 
> 

Well, the idea would be to get their bugs assigned to maintainer-needed
and media-optical CCed if somebody wants to take that stuff someday, it
would reflect better reality as, currently, their bugs are being
assigned to an empty herd (yes, xarthisius (I think he was in alias but
not officially in herd last time I checked, anyway it's only one
example, nothing personal against him of course :)). What will occur
when he simply drops his mail from alias as he never wanted to be a
member of that herd? What would occur if he only wants to maintain some
packages but others are getting ignored?

The idea to get them moved to "orphan" is to reflect reality and, that
way, try to get developers (or users willing to proxy maintain them)
involved on exact apps they really want to keep maintained.

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-09 20:15             ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-09 20:21               ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-18 17:01                 ` Pacho Ramos
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-09 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 21:15 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 22:02 +0200, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> > On 03/09/2012 09:48 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 16:57 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> > >> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:02:23 +0100
> > >> Pacho Ramos<pacho@gentoo.org>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > >>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > >>>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > >>>>>> Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> > >>>>>> herds are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think
> > >>>>>> we should drop that herds and move their packages to
> > >>>>>> maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> What do you think?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
> > >>>>
> > >>>> and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now
> > >>>
> > >>> Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
> > >>> - Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
> > >>> reflect reality)
> > >>> - Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports
> > >>>
> > >>> The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages
> > >>> to maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want
> > >>
> > >> For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
> > >> removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
> > >> the herd.
> > >>
> > >
> > > OK but, what about the rest? ;)
> > 
> > Please leave at least media-optical@ be as it is. Changing it doesn't 
> > make any sense.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Well, the idea would be to get their bugs assigned to maintainer-needed
> and media-optical CCed if somebody wants to take that stuff someday, it
> would reflect better reality as, currently, their bugs are being
> assigned to an empty herd (yes, xarthisius (I think he was in alias but
> not officially in herd last time I checked, anyway it's only one
> example, nothing personal against him of course :)). What will occur
> when he simply drops his mail from alias as he never wanted to be a
> member of that herd? What would occur if he only wants to maintain some
> packages but others are getting ignored?
> 
> The idea to get them moved to "orphan" is to reflect reality and, that
> way, try to get developers (or users willing to proxy maintain them)
> involved on exact apps they really want to keep maintained.

As talked just now with Samuli, he added him to media-optical (both, to
alias and herds.xml) and then, this no longer applies to media-optical
obviously ;)


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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty
  2012-03-09 20:21               ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-18 17:01                 ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-18 17:28                   ` Anybody willing to take care of sgml herd? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty) Pacho Ramos
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From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-18 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 21:21 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 21:15 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 22:02 +0200, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> > > On 03/09/2012 09:48 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > > El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 16:57 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> > > >> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:02:23 +0100
> > > >> Pacho Ramos<pacho@gentoo.org>  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > >>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > >>>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > >>>>>> Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> > > >>>>>> herds are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think
> > > >>>>>> we should drop that herds and move their packages to
> > > >>>>>> maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> What do you think?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
> > > >>> - Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
> > > >>> reflect reality)
> > > >>> - Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages
> > > >>> to maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want
> > > >>
> > > >> For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
> > > >> removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
> > > >> the herd.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > OK but, what about the rest? ;)
> > > 
> > > Please leave at least media-optical@ be as it is. Changing it doesn't 
> > > make any sense.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Well, the idea would be to get their bugs assigned to maintainer-needed
> > and media-optical CCed if somebody wants to take that stuff someday, it
> > would reflect better reality as, currently, their bugs are being
> > assigned to an empty herd (yes, xarthisius (I think he was in alias but
> > not officially in herd last time I checked, anyway it's only one
> > example, nothing personal against him of course :)). What will occur
> > when he simply drops his mail from alias as he never wanted to be a
> > member of that herd? What would occur if he only wants to maintain some
> > packages but others are getting ignored?
> > 
> > The idea to get them moved to "orphan" is to reflect reality and, that
> > way, try to get developers (or users willing to proxy maintain them)
> > involved on exact apps they really want to keep maintained.
> 
> As talked just now with Samuli, he added him to media-optical (both, to
> alias and herds.xml) and then, this no longer applies to media-optical
> obviously ;)
> 

Will then do the following:
- Add a <maintainer> tag to their metadatas to get bugs assigned to
maintainer-needed
- Keep herd to get it CCed (like was done some weeks ago with openoffice
herd)

This applies to "sgml" and "text-markup" since media-optical is active
again and looks like net-zope packages will go away soon


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* Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical and net-zope herds are empty
  2012-03-04 14:11     ` Dirkjan Ochtman
@ 2012-03-18 17:04       ` Pacho Ramos
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-18 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 15:11 +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman escribió:
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 14:31, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Only two for net-zope, but many more for, for example, sgml and
> > media-optical.
> 
> We just cleaned out most of the net-zope packages. The remaining
> net-zope packages will be maintained by the python team; the net-zope
> herd can probably be removed.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dirkjan
> 
> 

Just moved two remaining packages to python ;)

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* Anybody willing to take care of sgml herd? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty)
  2012-03-18 17:01                 ` Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-18 17:28                   ` Pacho Ramos
  2012-03-18 17:38                     ` Mike Gilbert
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-18 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El dom, 18-03-2012 a las 18:01 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 21:21 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 21:15 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 22:02 +0200, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> > > > On 03/09/2012 09:48 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > > > El vie, 09-03-2012 a las 16:57 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> > > > >> On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:02:23 +0100
> > > > >> Pacho Ramos<pacho@gentoo.org>  wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:56 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > > >>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:51 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > > >>>>> El dom, 04-03-2012 a las 13:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > > > >>>>>> Even if they have some people in their mail aliases, looks like
> > > > >>>>>> herds are empty. If nobody volunteers to join to them, I think
> > > > >>>>>> we should drop that herds and move their packages to
> > > > >>>>>> maintainer-needed in a week or so.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> What do you think?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> The same applies to "sgml" now that cryos is retiring :(
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> and text-markup, I think it's the last empty herd now
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Maybe we could do the same as did in the past for openoffice herd:
> > > > >>> - Change metadatas and bugs to assign them to maintainer-needed (and
> > > > >>> reflect reality)
> > > > >>> - Keep herd in metadatas and CCed them to bug reports
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The other option would be to simply drop that herds, assign packages
> > > > >>> to maintainer-needed and wait developers to grab whatever they want
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For net-zope, I'd prefer dropping it. We decided to get rid of Zope,
> > > > >> removed almost all relevant packages, so there's no point in keeping
> > > > >> the herd.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > OK but, what about the rest? ;)
> > > > 
> > > > Please leave at least media-optical@ be as it is. Changing it doesn't 
> > > > make any sense.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, the idea would be to get their bugs assigned to maintainer-needed
> > > and media-optical CCed if somebody wants to take that stuff someday, it
> > > would reflect better reality as, currently, their bugs are being
> > > assigned to an empty herd (yes, xarthisius (I think he was in alias but
> > > not officially in herd last time I checked, anyway it's only one
> > > example, nothing personal against him of course :)). What will occur
> > > when he simply drops his mail from alias as he never wanted to be a
> > > member of that herd? What would occur if he only wants to maintain some
> > > packages but others are getting ignored?
> > > 
> > > The idea to get them moved to "orphan" is to reflect reality and, that
> > > way, try to get developers (or users willing to proxy maintain them)
> > > involved on exact apps they really want to keep maintained.
> > 
> > As talked just now with Samuli, he added him to media-optical (both, to
> > alias and herds.xml) and then, this no longer applies to media-optical
> > obviously ;)
> > 
> 
> Will then do the following:
> - Add a <maintainer> tag to their metadatas to get bugs assigned to
> maintainer-needed
> - Keep herd to get it CCed (like was done some weeks ago with openoffice
> herd)
> 
> This applies to "sgml" and "text-markup" since media-optical is active
> again and looks like net-zope packages will go away soon
> 

Finally, only sgml is inside this case as it contains a lot of packages:
app-doc/halibut
app-emacs/nxml-mode
app-emacs/psgml
app-office/passepartout
app-text/asciidoc
app-text/build-docbook-catalog
app-text/docbook-dsssl-stylesheets
app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd
app-text/docbook-sgml-utils
app-text/docbook-sgml
app-text/docbook-xml-dtd
app-text/docbook-xml-simple-dtd
app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets
app-text/docbook2X
app-text/gentoo-guide-xml-dtd
app-text/gnome-doc-utils
app-text/grutatxt
app-text/highlight
app-text/html-xml-utils
app-text/html2text
app-text/html401
app-text/htmlrecode
app-text/htmltidy
app-text/linuxdoc-tools
app-text/openjade
app-text/opensp
app-text/robodoc
app-text/sablotron
app-text/scrollkeeper-dtd
app-text/scrollkeeper
app-text/sgml-common
app-text/sgmltools-lite
app-text/sgrep
app-text/txt2tags
app-text/webgen
app-text/xhtml1
app-text/xml2
app-text/xml2doc
app-text/xmlformat
app-text/xmlstarlet
app-text/xmlto
dev-ruby/xml-simple
www-client/htmlview

Is anyone willing to join the herd? If not, maybe somebody could take a
few packages if they want to take care of only a set of them and not all
the beast :-/

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* Re: Anybody willing to take care of sgml herd? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty)
  2012-03-18 17:28                   ` Anybody willing to take care of sgml herd? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty) Pacho Ramos
@ 2012-03-18 17:38                     ` Mike Gilbert
  2012-03-18 17:57                       ` Pacho Ramos
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mike Gilbert @ 2012-03-18 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Is anyone willing to join the herd? If not, maybe somebody could take a
> few packages if they want to take care of only a set of them and not all
> the beast :-/

I took a look at the sgml bugs list, and most of them seem pretty
straightforward. I'll add myself and work on them as I have time.

Please don't let that stop you if you are thinking of picking up any
of the packages in pacho's list.



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* Re: Anybody willing to take care of sgml herd? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] media-optical, net-zope, sgml, text-markup herds are empty)
  2012-03-18 17:38                     ` Mike Gilbert
@ 2012-03-18 17:57                       ` Pacho Ramos
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Pacho Ramos @ 2012-03-18 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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El dom, 18-03-2012 a las 13:38 -0400, Mike Gilbert escribió:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Is anyone willing to join the herd? If not, maybe somebody could take a
> > few packages if they want to take care of only a set of them and not all
> > the beast :-/
> 
> I took a look at the sgml bugs list, and most of them seem pretty
> straightforward. I'll add myself and work on them as I have time.
> 
> Please don't let that stop you if you are thinking of picking up any
> of the packages in pacho's list.
> 
> 

Thanks a lot Mike :D

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