From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10C413904D for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 390B5E08E9; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFDE5E087E for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: djc) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 060DF340939 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgkl9 with SMTP id l9so124601469wgk.1 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.203.138 with SMTP id kq10mr56357641wjc.124.1437381585006; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.175.69 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:39:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dirkjan Ochtman Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:39:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Reverted python3.4 defaults To: Ben de Groot Cc: Mike Gilbert , gentoo-dev , Gentoo Python Project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 5631f9b5-b3be-4abc-a11c-bed25aed61cf X-Archives-Hash: 0963c2ed00b1bbe1e1ac284480871f65 On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> I don't see any strong technical reason to switch from python2 + >> python3 to python2-only enabled. Some people don't like having two >> versions of python installed -- that's about the gist of it. > > Indeed, there is no strong technical reason, except that some people > like to keep their systems more lean. But I think having a smaller > stage3 tarball is a more important reason. The python team has > historically left that up to the RelEng team, which has been averse to > handling that themselves. > >> So, I'm personally not going to make that change without some kind of >> vote on it. I can arrange a vote within the python team if you like. > > I would like to hear from the other team members, yes. I have sympathy towards those who are asking for only one Python in stages (as in, I would be fine with that), but I very much think we should not leave Python 3 out of generally installed systems by default. We need to move through the transition, and increasing the barriers to Python 3 adoption will only make that process slower. I also feel like a voting process for this is probably not a solution. Cheers, Dirkjan