From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCBC1381F3 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38F9EE0A63; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59BCDE06CC for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: floppym) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 87B8C33EEA0 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id at1so9955121iec.1 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Azhb2c5usWP0wZRMDoDCElHyJ56Cf9+nCwzej/E/sc0=; b=Q+FuzhuRur4xMinO3nBOyR5tCBFU/i3MQw7BVEQQrB20mnuurepaocvyr0uCiBfe5c h76w0jTtpviIXzydUTgFsmwPNOFySyN9DhCsZiuohYhwyM97Mf6vQvNFU+nq9uJfa6pO Q7uIw0l3KlrqF+XUmxq1y59SLnPdPpYJc160apImUV9Y05BIxfzLo/0d1I5fWG+aTSSA tvBh5kk/Okk2QITpb44Uiq3sU7ypl9FrrIfNeM8OEZHkztHd7spsCmrL4OZ0YkmS8kfw lasxfNycX/f5i8Qm5PIpCD+2XDWiIIVzoaIbBz9Azb8z0pRplid1U5sdw7GzvwOk5H3l uJeg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.62.196 with SMTP id z4mr534104ich.49.1382285059732; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.139.5 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:04:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5263F97E.8010105@gentoo.org> References: <5263C7F9.9080300@gentoo.org> <20131020141538.1cfd7b3d@gentoo.org> <5263C9C6.6010709@gentoo.org> <105901382271553@web25h.yandex.ru> <5263CB10.9020908@gentoo.org> <113051382272012@web25h.yandex.ru> <5263E4F1.10804@gentoo.org> <5263E953.4030400@gentoo.org> <5263EB44.8060301@gentoo.org> <5263F529.8070708@gentoo.org> <5263F61C.6060800@gentoo.org> <5263F97E.8010105@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] official games repository From: Mike Gilbert To: Gentoo Dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 82ff2a03-59ba-4820-b5d8-434cbc778b87 X-Archives-Hash: e3476aaf48c044a0724edd6989452559 On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM, hasufell wrote: > On 10/20/2013 05:26 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 10/20/2013 04:22 PM, hasufell wrote: >>> On 10/20/2013 04:40 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >>>> On 10/20/2013 03:31 PM, hasufell wrote: >>>>> On 10/20/2013 04:13 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >>>>>> On 10/20/2013 01:26 PM, =D0=9C=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B1=D0=B0=D1=85-=D0=A1= =D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BE=D0=B2=D1=8C=D1=91=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC w= rote: >>>>>>>> * not related to the games team * no review whatsoever >>>>>>>> from any dev on ebuilds that get pushed there >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is easy-fixable. It is enough to gentoo-games team to >>>>>>> back to work on it together with community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * low quality >>>>>>> low quality of what? ebuilds? I bet, it is many >>>>>>> lower-quality ebuilds in the tree. Or do you mean low >>>>>>> quality of something else? Anyway, it is fixable too. >>>>>>> Just let's start work on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>>>> >>>>>> It's better to work with the user community and join >>>>>> efforts than having yet-another-shiny overlay. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gamerlay is not related to the games team and this thread is >>>>> not about gamerlay which is a project that has failed. I have >>>>> zero interest to work on gamerlay. It would have to start >>>>> with removing direct commit access of users. >>> >>>> This is not a great way to invite more users to participate. >>>> If you intend to make the game overlay and team a >>>> developer-only thing you are doing a great work. >>> >>> >>> I am not sure if you have read my list of arguments in the first >>> post. Sunrise is based on that very concept. No user has direct >>> commit access to the reviewed repository, for good reason (not >>> sure what you mean with "developer-only"). >>> >> >> I was mainly referring to your way to exluding this community which >> is already working on the gaming side of Gentoo. You shouldn't >> ignore active contributors because their ebuilds happen to be of >> lower quality. > > > Thanks for your opinion on this. It's nice to see that my efforts of > (unrequested) reviews on bugzilla, overlays, forums and sunrise makes > you say that I ignore contributors. Especially those contributors who > respond to or even request reviews (many don't even respond to > unrequested reviews). > > Some people from gamerlay have made clear that they are not really > interested in reviews, yet you want me to waste time on that? > > I don't think this discussion leads anywhere. He's just warning you not to ignore the existing community in your attempt to create a new community project. It is good advice; take it that way instead of responding to it as negative criticism. I think it might be a tough sell to get existing gamerlay contributors to switch to this new "official" contribution process. If you started working within that community, you may have better luck persuading people to get on board. If you have no interest in doing that, just be aware that you are excluding a significant base of contributors.