From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3860F158086 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FD512BC026; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5786E077C for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f177.google.com with SMTP id 131so12213957ybc.7 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 06:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5323rbVTwc/UWfUe2ZzMSPCfdoer9BrIoAnKR6XRylvi/IDURjb6 +l8dV9lIDBTGWZEPh793rdbDJUf5omT+9TrlUWs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzBgxoQ2aWDrmIdeW1rMEcJnI7Jz7ZNCrhetBdIGAKawIGSu35NFyKTAzyZA13y+l0ku86/RISDc9yl+frQtYc= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:809:: with SMTP id x9mr6855913ybp.181.1637850013026; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 06:20:13 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20211125032133.6916-1-whissi@gentoo.org> <505f8321-d399-18a2-3dd7-f64fd7541519@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <505f8321-d399-18a2-3dd7-f64fd7541519@gentoo.org> From: Mike Gilbert Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 09:20:02 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] 2021-11-23-mariadb-database-restore-maybe-required: add item To: Gentoo Dev Cc: PR team Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 4469457b-465f-482a-8f30-ee6c13bc2168 X-Archives-Hash: 4712e7e3e97cac6794e31ed6ced812ef On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 8:59 AM Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > > Hi, > > On 2021-11-25 04:49, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On 2021-11-21, keywords for dev-db/mariadb-10.6 were removed to > > address a file collision with dev-db/mariadb-connector-c. This > > unintentionally triggered a version downgrade for users who had > > successfully upgraded to dev-db/mariadb-10.6 already. > > Works for me. However, I would write dev-db/mariadb:10.6. Is that > acceptable for you? Sure. > > I don't like the phrase "forcefully downgraded" here. This implies > > that something happened without the user's consent. emerge would have > > informed them of the downgrade before it happened. I would suggest > > removing the word "forcefully" from these paragraphs. > > If you do a normal world upgrade, this is the default portage behavior, > not? I.e. package manager will downgrade if you don't stop. And > especially on servers, people tend to use cronjobs/scripts to do that... Something happening by default is not the same as forcing it to happen. Using a cron job or other blind automation to do package upgrades on any production system is a bad idea. We certainly do not recommend that to people, nor force them to do it. > And forcefully here refers to the undesirable result (at least that was > my intention). Something the user doesn't want. That's really not what "forcefully" means. It would be fine to use "unintentional" or "unwanted" in its place.