From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CBC1138334 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9879E0921; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA0DAE08C2 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-il1-f181.google.com (mail-il1-f181.google.com [209.85.166.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: floppym) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E90F34BD10 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-il1-f181.google.com with SMTP id t5so217825ilh.10 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:22:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV+QnYPb7RtGAw0zaY8ZUL4DFjrj1IHEJNikkDPC9mM4V4GkuzM 5lPI+m68c9Fuw/abhexI5/g0DFDaPs/kX6nZsH0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxlbyX2EFOFj+nTsJpv+sqxO0AU69rlks6bvrILa8iq3TIGZCFgafiyPC9s6SgwKX03md7l+VgBgaFs9Iib0u4= X-Received: by 2002:a92:360b:: with SMTP id d11mr8750911ila.114.1571174547782; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7db69bdd30aeaf350f9c70c28abf9d890656d55c.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: From: Mike Gilbert Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:22:16 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The demotivating process of contributing to devmanual To: Gentoo Dev Cc: devmanual Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 469e5f14-4c90-4a0c-8da9-f0bb26e3094f X-Archives-Hash: a5419fdd3703982beb47f3f8d4210b3a On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 4:59 PM Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny = wrote: > > On Tue, 2019-10-15 at 16:47 -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 4:35 PM Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > > > I'd like to highlight a major problem with devmanual. For a basic > > > policy & developer documentation thingie, it's quality is so-so at be= st. > > > A lot of stuff is missing, lots of things are outdated or even > > > incorrect. Not many people are contributing, and those who try quick= ly > > > resign. > > > > Maybe you should join the project? Especially if you are making major > > contributions. > > Are you suggesting that I join the project and start committing without > review, or disregarding review? I have serious doubts on joining > the project if I am repeatedly proven to be doing things wrong -- > whether the issues were serious or not. I'm suggesting that if you are unhappy with the current way a project operates, it is easier to change it if you are a project member. Also, if you need someone to review something, maybe ping people you know will give useful feedback. I'm usually happy to do a review if requested personally.