From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCCD13800E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8579E07B7; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcagg.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1D321C050 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E6A348073 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=zx2c4.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to: content-type; q=dns; s=zx2c4.com; b=p5sD4o8RMWDgrjbJL76OgsCEqLR3 Ia+hNzLLC2LGXeDOA6scuhN06xaO8nqwycLshSx8zQe8PjiSWTs90yBxb6O93vdA ZU/GFg5QHEzwjrMCc+6/vB3pnfeIl9a4K6gPomsG9ASOwjCZBks75+MWkGOs1fLa g2OssxoLAd+zeJ0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=zx2c4.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to: content-type; s=zx2c4.com; bh=QIKlN/qhscKjtSRftv2BWFZjVWM=; b=uB IQDwT6fD9GtClQZYQpA0y55SmqQg8t4S6bfRxfFg8rkBr+WafROPNodA9SQ1OePC CojMcXjdcaHGPgsMVQCBVIR0xV4Zfk6D+eKSXGEYBs4V2bD5chcS8Z2tAoCcgkj3 gTnAai0HTm44IP8oCLu54SrypeEXOjz5lD+ID3YVc= Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jason@zx2c4.com) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 17B95348072 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so854989vcb.40 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.97.8 with SMTP id dw8mr12285718vdb.31.1344436357496; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.220.199 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:32:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5022784C.5040201@gentoo.org> References: <20120808161551.425c8e62@pomiocik.lan> <5022784C.5040201@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:32:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: c0ffd235-9128-402e-869a-3141ba16c808 X-Archives-Hash: a33b018220d395d2f1ae12175c1ca275 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > And as long as our maintainers refuse to use the proper paths this is > just one of the little things that makes life more exciting for us. > > Can we please add some sanity back? Exactly. Right now, with no USE flag, and no differentiation, maintainers are kind of just stepping on each others toes. There's simply no protocol for dealing with the increasingly aggressive upstream systemdification. With a global USE flags, maintainers can then think about things in terms of "okay, the systemd world likes it this way; the rest of the world likes it this way... therefore: use systemd && kitten_killer".