From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AB713800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FB8CE0687; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33435E0656 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C6B51C069 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:33:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=zx2c4.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to: content-type; q=dns; s=zx2c4.com; b=MX426GrwIwzdtyowYrC9lLv8i2w+ sPUft6NvCSjLVWL825ZM/upn39kIExl+EzwNgoi1cg7iGAdIIY77wKIIJCCaZqx/ Epxf1XAGVxMpMwi1zWDhKYJjeQQe/q5MwqUtfPSkbI8JRsnAlG04hiO9IHDKkH4S 7oEg4nM+scvZNsY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=zx2c4.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to: content-type; s=zx2c4.com; bh=im0oLr6HbZbrulUipe+0S4e9X0E=; b=T9 Im9W+PqOuj2YNUJAwsjLmZ0SBznNwv06Wu2ClM1waY/b3A6/jcwZahrW5hXeBwsT /tujtY3Q7u0gODsatDehfMPq4/j36JkByrZFaoQ8c+u9s6xxwIx+V10yJU+Q8F5G YJkKEW+vxfCLAI0drAdl60Pp27lxiBFGeJJLfvLk4= Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jason@zx2c4.com) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B3A7D51C063 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so36320vcb.40 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.29.201 with SMTP id m9mr18188688veh.19.1344486782652; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.236.72 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:33:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120808221912.GA1973@linux1> References: <20120808161551.425c8e62@pomiocik.lan> <5022784C.5040201@gentoo.org> <502279B6.3080305@gentoo.org> <20120808221912.GA1973@linux1> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:33:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 2bff7806-eb55-4140-81e6-474ee3e73766 X-Archives-Hash: b19c041e20cc4b01b137071e770f20d2 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > So, I ask again. You keep complaining about "insanity". What's the > insanity and why should we go to all of the extra effort you want us to > go to to avoid it? I think it's more of a knee-jerk reaction to this: Redhat is pushing systemd very hard, and its technical merits have gained a lot of sway in many places. As such, it seems like lots of everything are joining a fast-paced systemd stampede. Seeing that udevd has been renamed to something with "systemd" in the name raises a gut fear "oh no, now something as fundamental as udev is becoming systemdified. It's just a matter of time before init.d disappears forever." To the non-systemd'ers, I think the general perception is that without any set of policies to manage the stampede, systemd will eventually take over. Maybe this fear is warranted. Maybe it's silly. I don't know. I am glad, though, that Gentoo is sticking with OpenRC, and I hope that the consequences of that decision are respected by ebuild maintainers.