From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D111381F3 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C82DE09B9; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 790FEE087D for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 9so23469979iec.5 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 03:42:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=74ERVYG2xvyFRd4C1yLPDK8Gw1J18dMP026W7z8HWRE=; b=DW0G2Je1YROoc1/VCMXfdwHpVG8jST1YdQ51mn+0rcM2Di4VlhBqsDiZAE7Igmws2b //lXuwTBJpwltG1kPqPANQEBM+IWEoVFGLbqP/DqXmLZl1jYvi7JhcvmmiNUfAfRpOCN kksxWZIXLLkKZ/+TDxL9YLmTuTFjfVCzk6QjFTIDMtRbva2W8McYEA2G8Pj9Ba8NbeKC 701r9hB7eMnAZnGKdXJJHCmcFcqr+MW5NMDTkHMIb00AvsQYjCkxsbM7NyDePolzR6QC yg4XDppOCgb3EqJFTUd3WbUAfvsA2mIqKjW+wqCVi90RUSQ0Z3WI37p+rV+uQBt9ib5s mdIA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.16.76 with SMTP id e12mr5132740igd.47.1372070569318; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 03:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.42.8 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 03:42:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51C7D073.3010703@smash-net.org> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts From: =?UTF-8?Q?Diego_Elio_Petten=C3=B2?= To: "gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc15d6e4311704dfe412e8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnqBYj1sg4UNuYQ+1z2Cby++htUsSpQUQCzCaZa4I3qnD9a0KVcC2RVkrWSUSdCQPBHV9bp X-Archives-Salt: c08065bd-d87b-40ed-924d-55c8bb99a73c X-Archives-Hash: ab714e66913d6c6a7fd2f2c77d3b48b1 --047d7bdc15d6e4311704dfe412e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pavlos, I understand what you mean, I'm just saying that organizing a real video conference takes its toil. And just opening a webcam and talking is just going to give an amateurish feeling that could be more detrimental than not. Can you please tell us if you have _any_ experience at all with VCing or just thought that it looks cool? Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 =E2=80=94 Flameeyes flameeyes@flameeyes.eu =E2=80=94 http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Pavlos Ratis wrote= : > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Norman Rie=C3=9F > wrote: > >> > >> I do not see the benefit either, it seems like that kind of thing the = PR > >> department would come up with, which noone does actually like doing an= d > >> everyone is glad when it's over and can go back to work. > > > > > > I honestly wonder if Pavlos ever tried having regular meetings over VC. > > > > I've worked on a VC system most of last year and I now go through regul= ar > > conferences... it's barely okay from a work point of view, it takes lot= s > of > > time to organize so you don't want to do that every single day for sure= . > > > > And unlike IRC meetings, you can cannot multitask, say making your dinn= er > > while discussing this or that feature. > > > > A VC is a full commitment, and its attractiveness is often much higher > > _before_ you use it.. > > > > > > Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 =E2=80=94 Flameeyes > > flameeyes@flameeyes.eu =E2=80=94 http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ > > Maybe you misunderstood my proposal, I totally agree with you about > IRC meetings. I didn't propose video calls as a full replacement for > IRC meetings. Also, I've never said to use video calls every single > day. > These team video calls would be good to exist for different reasons. > These video calls are going to promote Gentoo, our team efforts and > could be useful to our users and those who want to contribute. As I > said before, it is optional, a team maybe choose not to do any video > call, a team could do *only one* video call and stop or a team could > do frequent video calls. It's up to the team to decide. > > --047d7bdc15d6e4311704dfe412e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pavlos, I understand what you mean, I'm just saying th= at organizing a real video conference takes its toil. And just opening a we= bcam and talking is just going to give an amateurish feeling that could be = more detrimental than not.

Can you please tell us if you have _any_ experience at= all with VCing or just thought that it looks cool?

Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 =E2=80=94 F= lameeyes
fla= meeyes@flameeyes.eu =E2=80=94 http://blog.flameeyes.eu/


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Pavlos= Ratis <dastergon@gentoo.org> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM, D= iego Elio Petten=C3=B2
<flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>= ; wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Norman Rie=C3=9F <norman@smash-net.org> wrote:
>>
>> I do not see the benefit either, it seems like that kind of thing = the PR
>> department would come up with, which noone does actually like doin= g and
>> everyone is glad when it's over and can go back to work.
>
>
> I honestly wonder if Pavlos ever tried having regular meetings over VC= .
>
> I've worked on a VC system most of last year and I now go through = regular
> conferences... it's barely okay from a work point of view, it take= s lots of
> time to organize so you don't want to do that every single day for= sure.
>
> And unlike IRC meetings, you can cannot multitask, say making your din= ner
> while discussing this or that feature.
>
> A VC is a full commitment, and its attractiveness is often much higher=
> _before_ you use it..
>
>
> Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 =E2=80=94 Flameeyes
> flameeyes@flameeyes.eu = =E2=80=94 http://bl= og.flameeyes.eu/

Maybe you misunderstood my proposal, I totally agree with you a= bout
IRC meetings. I didn't propose video calls as a full replacement for IRC meetings. Also, I've never said to use video calls every single
day.
These team video calls would be good to exist for different reasons.
These video calls are going to promote Gentoo, our team efforts and
could be useful to our users and those who want to contribute. As I
said before, it is optional, a team maybe choose not to do any video
call, a team could do *only one* video call and stop or a team could
do frequent video calls. It's up to the team to decide.


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