[gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[Zac Medico]

Hi,

In bug 528086 [1] we have a pre-built games package with a soname
dependency on libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0. The maintainer reports that the
game works fine without this library, so he doesn't want to add a
dependency on sdl-mixer.

In order to satisfy this "unneeded" soname dependency, preserve-libs
will preserve libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 when sdl-mixer is uninstalled. So,
it would be nice if we had a way to tell preserve-libs not to satisfy
"unneeded" soname dependencies.

I would prefer not to ignore soname dependencies for all pre-built
files, since some pre-built files may have library dependencies which
are considered valid. Therefore, I suggest that we add a QA_NEEDED
variable so that specific files with "unneeded" soname dependencies can
be distinguished from files with soname dependencies that are actually
needed.

[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528086
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Thanks,
Zac

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

On 7 November 2014 13:04, Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>
> In bug 528086 [1] we have a pre-built games package with a soname
> dependency on libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0. The maintainer reports that the
> game works fine without this library, so he doesn't want to add a
> dependency on sdl-mixer.

Ehm no this is absolutely ludicrously a bad idea.

If the library is in NEEDED of binary, there is no need that said
binary will run. If whatever package works fine without that binary
being able to run, maybe the binary should not be installed.

Just shoving this under the rug is preposterous.


Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[Zac Medico]

On 11/07/2014 11:18 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 7 November 2014 13:04, Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In bug 528086 [1] we have a pre-built games package with a soname
>> dependency on libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0. The maintainer reports that the
>> game works fine without this library, so he doesn't want to add a
>> dependency on sdl-mixer.
> 
> Ehm no this is absolutely ludicrously a bad idea.
> 
> If the library is in NEEDED of binary, there is no need that said
> binary will run. If whatever package works fine without that binary
> being able to run, maybe the binary should not be installed.
> 
> Just shoving this under the rug is preposterous.

Yeah, I figured that we'd get a reaction like this. I just thought I'd
start by proposing some sort of compromise, and then let others fight it
out. :)
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Thanks,
Zac

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

On 7 November 2014 13:50, Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Yeah, I figured that we'd get a reaction like this. I just thought I'd
> start by proposing some sort of compromise, and then let others fight it
> out. :)

Since we got to a positive conclusion on the bug, let's not consider
this proposal worth our time any more, shall we?

Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[Zac Medico]

On 11/07/2014 03:25 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 7 November 2014 13:50, Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> Yeah, I figured that we'd get a reaction like this. I just thought I'd
>> start by proposing some sort of compromise, and then let others fight it
>> out. :)
> 
> Since we got to a positive conclusion on the bug, let's not consider
> this proposal worth our time any more, shall we?

Okay, sure. I'll save it for the day when someone finds a valid reason
to install binaries with broken soname deps (not likely).
-- 
Thanks,
Zac

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[Kent Fredric]

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On 8 November 2014 13:59, Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Okay, sure. I'll save it for the day when someone finds a valid reason
> to install binaries with broken soname deps (not likely).
>

Another candidate for a possible valid reason:

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460468

There's probably a better way of solving that too.

-- 
Kent

*KENTNL* - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL

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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new QA_NEEDED variable for files installed by pre-built binary packages with broken soname dependencies

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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On 8 Nov 2014 01:35, "Kent Fredric" <kentfredric@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 8 November 2014 13:59, Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, sure. I'll save it for the day when someone finds a valid reason
>> to install binaries with broken soname deps (not likely).
>
>
> Another candidate for a possible valid reason:
>
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460468
>
> There's probably a better way of solving that too.

Don't make the javafx install automagic....

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