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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:12:47 +0100 as excerpted=
:
>
>> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018, 18:16:33 CET schrieb Vincent-Xavier JUMEL:
>>> Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny a =C3=A9crit :
>>> > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some people
>>> > prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has nothing to do
>>> > with making a distribution.
>>>
>>> No it has. Giving power to a subset of users, denying interaction with
>>> future contributors unless they enroll is the eaxct way to kill Gentoo
>>> as a community !
>>
>> We wouldn't have needed to go this far if not for a few outside trolls
>> who
>> * keep pushing their personal agenda in endless threads,
>> * confuse their own inability to contribute with being a mistreated
>> underdog,
>> * and keep commenting opinionated on technical things they
>> plainly have no clue about (while whining when are told they sprout
>> bulls##t).
>>
>> We do not have a problem with "future contributors". I wager those will
>> rather increase in numbers once the list spam is gone.
>
>
> This has been my biggest concern about the whole thing:
>
> Are we going to be nipping future devs in the bud because there's now too
> many hoops to jump thru too early, and it's simply not worth the trouble
> when they can (and will) go elsewhere where it's easier,
>
> OR
>
> Are we going to be lowering the unwelcoming noise, confusion and name-
> calling threshold and making the community more welcoming for those who
> have a serious interest, clearing out some of the stuff that could
> otherwise discourage them.
>
>
> It's pretty clear that council believes it's the latter, at least to the
> degree that they're willing to try it for a time, effectively a wager of
> sorts, but I don't believe anyone can honestly say what the real effect
> one way or the other will be until it /is/ tried.
>
>
> Personally, my viewpoint is that while over the last year or so there
> were some 1-2 level frustrating posters on a 5-point scale, it's nothing
> compared to the level-4 (direct name calling, just short of physical
> threats that justify getting the law involved) stuff that I've seen on
> this list in the some-years-distant past. In my mind, unquestionably
> that level-4 stuff required action, and it was taken.
>
> The recent stuff seems so much milder in comparison that IMO it's hard to
> see what the hubbub is all about, but there's certainly an argument to be
> made that the previous experience simply desensitized our detection
> meters, and that were it not for that, the recent stuff would seem rather
> more shocking and horrible than it does, and that even if it's /less/
> horrible, it's horrible /enough/ that it remains unacceptable in a
> civilized society, and if we /do/ accept it, we're effectively pushing
> others that won't, out.
Given the quantity of relevant problem-mail that came from
@gentoo.org, maybe the glass house dwellers should be careful where
they aim their stones. I considered taking the dev quiz and everything
instead of just posting a few ebuilds on bugzilla years ago, but the
elitist, as Alex labelled it, voices from @gentoo.org are what made me
decide not to, and my decision keeps getting reinforced. That
impression has been there for years, and it's not getting better by
this.