From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F6281584F2 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gentoo.org (bobolink.gentoo.org [140.211.166.189]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay-lists.gentoo.org@gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5443A3431A7 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bobolink.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558031103E3; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pj1-x102c.google.com (mail-pj1-x102c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B3881103C7 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pj1-x102c.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2fe9759e5c1so3760037a91.0 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 08:09:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741964946; x=1742569746; darn=lists.gentoo.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=1PxkHUy6kP9nEXzPcjIj+Iip8RssBiG9xZ0nu4hLq1I=; b=CiNTJW/jyOxTwTHvQjSYxSk32M9vpmCcWDDaLQl8/8cNRsf3Bsr4uuBlQhyFzhq+T0 66jim5Tp/Bfr4ncYnK1ilCwpdWM803LejQq2WgDNwfu758nkgtqoV0iVMR0sK6JWL7YD u5NHq+PTuMHbzhIT4lIFFH1uz820MXUbDND0G72teGz7JCfux45LyYqyX5tOaZnFw5DF S3P9WQkSWmZ1lAdPIpMBUIRjVwFTh69bYZ3nPLHCdx+V9gVrDzaEUe2zZmKdy3vvtY9Q QY7oZlq5mHaKNtUaTHONMGbcmA0xKMtVfswFdVa6xshoUiBPwD9lABEopdV6LPhWFyN3 k1IQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741964946; x=1742569746; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=1PxkHUy6kP9nEXzPcjIj+Iip8RssBiG9xZ0nu4hLq1I=; b=p0eyKSTp1SYcAzog5eLMbg4a2ayM1CLsqecHwGLV0vI+KmYyeD4n66zCyISmXHGp8X h/usnrnjyV4Bz2vdWGYdhsdCaYWaVHK065MW5Vf1dlFC4Vfksy5dOpp0xQZh0+mzcYhC kiLnc6RmYcIAzLH5900s936wfWYsgVC+ZIULbsU5hHVX8lJ1PFgbHgticU1M85ktbKPc aBdjpuOuKQVSe9QZ1wT/VEdPBO4OfDKxYuhZLQzVGBEijBT+qCYBVNKsgrQCtDUjYeSG onb+KcnaKvZ8BjpuQ/dfnnXBWtc3dU+dUH5Sa36ggn0Q0Zz2yoJOkytmco6egN085bUS N9vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzSR+bs9H4nsO2oXdeuLQlS0frU/v+6ui0zp6mac7ETOzWc/iTu z47rb6tCpozyFQru3dK2jrXdNHnTdl2r2kUKz4QJ0ZhPCMMW+KBInfraZfV/GMU2X3+RiVeaeqj k2UhO07vNqEXhoOK4Z4d2xe9DIPxbsg== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncusZ8qczW4xcNV22DeDWXaMfLFulhJAaxUWJhCPsdj91hOmMbD/nQ/NxlRCl0Q hDu7PQRPSqH3i/795RPLzJv2cVkkrdT/5thFoCnmJnE/q3R2siKE6ixS1j3qzfOJmvHsNdNjSrd OU4dqehq7fg6dzfbeiqQHhyl0vZjHQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGcShan+MJKT745zhrq0n5YgPSypgYSkzVBaRBRjck0//qeFDq3LqqPodwJwOO0fHAG2EivcdEfyEGQV8I20p4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:d64f:b0:2ff:7b28:a519 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-30151d8ec27mr3756399a91.30.1741964946427; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 08:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20250310214009.57104603@alfredo.tupone.it> <87ldt93wps.fsf@gentoo.org> <87bju3vm2t.fsf@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <87bju3vm2t.fsf@gentoo.org> From: Gordon Pettey Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 10:08:29 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JpsQ4Pd8_Iz5B_vglf_3rw9tnn_zLUxvjzczAIOwZE9MhjE4Sn3f3Vj6YI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Arsen_Arsenovi=C4=87?= , Filip Kobierski Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d7dbca06304ed141" X-Archives-Salt: 9f6601a2-7c50-4e75-9a75-8be34ea71bca X-Archives-Hash: ea113f054c16d9a60467fd7b28f2db6e --000000000000d7dbca06304ed141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMHO, "ai" is an extremely overloaded and over- and mis-used term. It's nothing but glorified pattern matching, and calling everything "ai" is very buzzwordy. I'd much rather see it named "ml". On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 7:23=E2=80=AFAM Sam James wrote: > Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 writes: > > > Filip Kobierski writes: > > > >> On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone > wrote: > >>> To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" > >>> AI packages I think that a new category should be created. > >>> Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) > >> > >> I really like thi idea. > >> For better or worse the field is growing and it would be nice > >> to have a separate category for it. > >> > >> In my opinion the category should begin with "sci": > >> - "sci-ai" feels the most general but buzzwordy; > >> - "sci-dl" is too specific as not AI is deep learning; > >> - "sci-ml" (machie learning) in my opinion would be the > >> best choice as it describes the packages listed clearly. > > > > As was mentioned, sci-ml would be confusing with Meta-Language. > > > > The term "AI" has a very long and storied history, and covers the entir= e > > field of machine learning and then some. I think 'sci-ai' is most > > fitting as a result (and, besides also being more fitting, it also is > > not ambiguous). > > I agree. I can live with sci-ml if the consensus goes the other way, > though. > > --000000000000d7dbca06304ed141 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMHO, "ai" is an extremely overloaded and o= ver- and mis-used term.
It's nothing but glorified patte= rn matching, and calling everything "ai"
is very b= uzzwordy. I'd much rather see it named "ml".

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 7:23=E2=80=AFAM Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:
Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 <arsen@gentoo.org> writes:<= br>
> Filip Kobierski <f= kobi@pm.me> writes:
>
>> On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone <tupone@gentoo.org> w= rote:
>>> To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so c= alled"
>>> AI packages I think that a new category should be created.
>>> Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning)
>>
>> I really like thi idea.
>> For better or worse the field is growing and it would be nice
>> to have a separate category for it.
>>
>> In my opinion the category should begin with "sci":
>> - "sci-ai" feels the most general but buzzwordy;
>> - "sci-dl" is too specific as not AI is deep learning; >> - "sci-ml" (machie learning) in my opinion would be the<= br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0best choice as it describes the packages listed clearl= y.
>
> As was mentioned, sci-ml would be confusing with Meta-Language.
>
> The term "AI" has a very long and storied history, and cover= s the entire
> field of machine learning and then some.=C2=A0 I think 'sci-ai'= ; is most
> fitting as a result (and, besides also being more fitting, it also is<= br> > not ambiguous).

I agree. I can live with sci-ml if the consensus goes the other way, though= .

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