From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF96613800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94652E05E8; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f53.google.com (mail-ee0-f53.google.com [74.125.83.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CDEE07F9 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekc4 with SMTP id c4so243552eek.40 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:02:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z3dVDf/JX6n/xS6I2qutRYKFtzs2/TJ/1O5YlksaubY=; b=cE3izO/WYnk6WQ3ni8Y/9P8b3h5cLmc8zDtyO1F8wAgMgf5Jo+STSXtMcvU7MeiEo3 iBhmSlamtnQpEx5PFLO3CUTr/Mf/lMjIUBo+NufRQlUOuLTamu01Z5UeenIK/VAZcYrd lXORdQHMn27RUBM1MgwpeG2XxQfxFfeJmTnOJBX1hTBpo5S2To/ASGyU7ah5NgloBfON eeo2MyCxcA3vVz8mAuuNM55a04GLk4v1o+7AxRupdSs1YA5lLL2zcwqxpcCV9bn/ly/D pXCZXZoo8cwyTYIPJpbzHmM+Lrrf9esjTUjuGUkJduUGLrW/qtUva6EEFVXEYuMliDeR rbdg== Received: by 10.14.1.9 with SMTP id 9mr538627eec.9.1344538951353; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.173.197 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:02:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> From: =?UTF-8?B?VG9tw6HFoSBQcnXFvmluYQ==?= Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:02:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 46159683-ab1e-43af-bcf5-fbd20c6e0ae8 X-Archives-Hash: 89eb4126d802fe2a3753bb48fec562eb Not really, Linus has his own web of trust and he don't take stuff from unknown sources, he has his liutennants and every single patch and change must be reviewed by at least two other maintainers below Linus. After all, Linux does not belong to Linus and his branch is by definition of distributed system no better than yours. Exception being is that he generally makes right decisions and can be reason with. It would be much simpler to push _good_ feature into kernel than into gentoo [imho]. @systemd: I liked it in it's early stages but every month code gets more and more bloated and for (to me) unknown reason it's slowing on my machine every new version. It also did not deliver on promise of stability as early scripts I wrote don't work with latest version. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM, William Hubbs wrote= : >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Cr=C3=AAte wrote: >>> > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementati= on >>> > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudi= o >>> > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it. >>> >>> This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a ver= y >>> reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is >>> terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you. >> >> Sorry to call you on this one, but that is not the experience I had. >> >> I proposed adding configure switches to their build system to accomodate >> source base distros, such as gentoo, who at times want to use udev >> without systemd. I even went out of the way to make sure that I didn't >> change their default settings. >> >> Look at a thread on their ml called minimal builds along with their wiki >> page on minimal builds for Lennart's answer. He even went so far as to >> say that our package managers are broken, and there was absolutely no >> negotiating this point. We are wrong as far as he is concerned. > > By the same reasoning, Linus is even a bigger asshole. In the kernel > they flatly refuse to merge code from a LOT of people; that's their > job in the end. > > I read the thread where you proposed the changes to systemd's build > system. I wish it was accepted, but I also understand why they didn't. > As I said in other threads, they really don't care for source based > distros; and that sucks for Gentoo (and every other source based > distro), but it's their call. And it certainly helps them to keep the > build system simple, assuming that it would be used only by packagers > for binary distros. > > That doesn't say anything about the design of systemd, which is why I > use it; not because of the build system. > > Regards. > -- > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s > Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n > Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico >