From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02E4138247 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C2A4E0969; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EE9FE0953 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jw12so13583860veb.17 for ; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=fx+yn5vgooO3p+2QqPZXRglnhwTeGLnz3dCTsUmt7q8=; b=M/Clm1kk6WxJgBOVwb+n1kDuAlElItBkLrB6VeqUBG8pKiW05pX+Sdi7CIGvOuAq3v 2GYqs3+Qvc+xzfbdhF2TKEKPMP7TXOByK5WY6bRfN94U6tXHONJB8NkEbgCYDce2v01E c2a53ec8ft7qq64UI8NuzQR8c5lhGAJq8iVe5r0Luq8u/4CX0H1AgXWddZFcFmPwrLQw ZU102D35WS53fD7JKxT0ucWoQ5g6UTxW1XGBEwzfKdS3x/x5yy10lQK9MkPwAz2061RL VeBj7nR5bzybhYqrwtZOyPBxcmrYBz+qRBtpkEXlmB2g1OoLO/v1sS8iUfh3TY/046cS IGvQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.132.208 with SMTP id c16mr87741vct.55.1386246627041; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.112.99 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 04:30:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52A02DC3.6060601@gmail.com> References: <20131201102015.GA1219@egeo> <20131202202845.GA8574@linux1> <529CF973.2020008@gentoo.org> <529CFAA1.7080608@gentoo.org> <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> <529F5C6C.7060704@gentoo.org> <20131204212537.GA19609@linux1> <529FBE92.4000003@gentoo.org> <52A02DC3.6060601@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 07:30:26 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qOqpXPYmEN8CKstrZYdrR3WWx7g Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: b6fd0f84-31fc-452e-a902-375882db5d3f X-Archives-Hash: e8a70a98fb46aa42458006a3c4ab2b2e On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > In this day and age not having a network-capable install out the box is > silly. The first major action after unpacking the tarball is going to be > adding new packages and doing updates, the source code for which is on > the network. A network manager isn't needed to use a network - only to set one up. The network is already set up when you unpack the tarball and chroot into it. You could just as easily argue that in this day and age not having a kernel install out-of-the-box is silly, and yet that is exactly how we supply the stage3. There isn't an obvious choice for a kernel, so we don't make it for the user. We could just stick gentoo-sources in there and let the user unmerge it and merge something else, I suppose. We don't ship a working pulseaudio either, since many don't use it, and alternatives exist. I guess the main virtue of the openrc network managers is that they're disabled by default, and at the moment I don't think they collide with anything else. That being the case, their inclusion isn't as impactful as it would be for other packages. Rich