From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4833D1384B4 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9B6E21C04E; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com (mail-io0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C29F721C00E for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q126so185840063iof.2 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:14:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=j6BTm61l/Di/9Q5Ff2a00NLVKIkxwRgNEdYvqUZAhXY=; b=fANNejvpBMqLltCR9e/OypduB8mJuFm8yId/DBBvt+KyYJfaLUPHZp6F+/M8pTwGvT S7iPt9dmzYLgN6CQqyTbjgxgggf8TLCuxm1iCFMmK/tcRO/ttIILAJzfpw2vScC2YplQ wb4OKrttaUPR25OGDAKRsPE2B31OOFsQt9nU/LRse5RKD39CoycNyUexmV2QMT+EfV5A +cGZWJOaVloDisAXgrX67NLdcAgSdqZR8BlnyLcBtbVUj/WxfFZcIFycZvRl6PodDLET J2GgT1LR5THYSR24gLIHRLiV/2gksNNIhk11ja/dF7OzkOK7GJloHWuznvZYJT+kDjMF 275A== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.8.135 with SMTP id h7mr13356560ioi.93.1450790080093; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:14:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.38.210 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:14:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <567947B7.7090205@gentoo.org> References: <566DACB3.2010105@gentoo.org> <20151213222001.0c1c466a3f3b8b0b53c69a9d@gentoo.org> <20151213190045.1e186781.dolsen@gentoo.org> <20151220212127.6e5cd419@caribou.gateway.pace.com> <56791ACB.3000903@gentoo.org> <567947B7.7090205@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:14:40 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ABMQ5YxzyW9-HqU4WMYLhdK6bd0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: repo/gentoo.git, or how committing is challenging From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 28d1d21a-5ee4-4a7b-8505-e64e6a535c63 X-Archives-Hash: e715a45fe85da2c129601d6d894b4de1 On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > I'd replace gkeys-gen with a ~10-line shell script ... if I had some > motivation to dig through some old experiments of mine where I managed > to set all parameters for pgp from CLI. Which is all that gkeys-gen > would do! Sounds great. > I guess we fundamentally disagree - if you do shoddy work, it is shoddy. > I won't praise you for it. Nobody is looking for your praise. > That's my time, spent to work around deficiencies I shouldn't even see - > if other people had done their job. And that's just frustrating if it > happens again and again, and instead of doing something interesting I > spend most of my time just being janitor and cleaning up stuff. I hope you're not the one looking for praise. I can't imagine that your pep talk has done a great deal to motivate people to spend time improving the Gentoo Keys experience. Do you want to see this fixed? Are you willing to do the fixing yourself? If the answer to the first question is yes, and the second is no, then you've just volunteered for the job of either community motivator, or frustrated user. The goal then is to make people care more about going out of their way to fix things than going out of their way to find ways to make you even more frustrated. Which do you think is going to be more emotionally satisfying to those who read this thread? -- Rich