From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65C43138334 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC362E09FB; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg1-f194.google.com (mail-pg1-f194.google.com [209.85.215.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30193E09DE for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg1-f194.google.com with SMTP id e6-v6so6891550pgv.2 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 06:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QEzcoSxOxI4Fn8DgNwaJxHi9k9C2vFffja72eaULvKw=; b=q9ZAe/cvZtfe7LLd0+lr7GPkpyncjOtzmT8MYm7MBe6VxBEpP2p7NR2IxeXjuq8lqS GtjtQZ1oM3ttv+R4osJZty5oQr+Yk49LUug9xZFhH/W9ug48NLxFMBZq9TnBGirwY8BZ fZjcKBoXSG5aJViCDpNeTpYOYjsUn+tuyqi8PcB65B7urV7a5QGrP4T+UYbD5F50hRA2 +45PBWneFvBXP05z7q5AI33GFvd/0NQs3dugbUqdRyeW/aYXhATQtt4JPg074MreEGJ5 TKuHzsBvsXvwA35r6CruF1WUJek49zR1mFWDAsPmioMYyCjWRhqvzr+QoqOgRgPvIpxZ f9zg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHHe8qV7woL7ARPWo7g91zKqReyCdE5Fqmgl3gYWsA+lhSvuIih VBP6s2xOjPH8p3LQbbw9XjtgbyV9mLD5ZH0YbB2zYGg3 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpdYfb+5jxbwCAeFaDLNoiX3ti7IzXhIeBvFE39A8H1oJ5oRYWyykRgfV/9cYhJz7vlxededQDpEyd0kAkjH6zs= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:82c3:: with SMTP id f3-v6mr2176802pfn.136.1532092510446; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 06:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <16018DCB-B863-4822-855A-5DA954D3AAA9@gentoo.org> <04b5f0ca-a472-5bd8-7ff2-520f4c816abc@gentoo.org> <27b490fdb1b57845d8d133a9a2e2425e@troglodyte.be> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 09:14:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding USE=udev to linux profiles To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 08d87d2c-1376-4181-855b-d2eae5fe9c31 X-Archives-Hash: 282d41b328d9c90bb69d3869c176df7e On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:05 AM wrote: > > I=E2=80=99m not sure I was clear enough in what 13.0 would mean : basical= ly, its current content would be > delegated to common, and 13.0 would keep only things needed to have minim= al breakages/conflicts. > And we would keep the current directory-like inheritance. > Your proposal was clear enough. I was just pointing out that it might make more sense to make common the thing that is minimal to prevent breakage/conflict, and make 13.0 something that could not be reliably inherited by the things below it in the hierarchy. Ie, it wouldn't really be a hierarchy any longer. And, honestly, it wasn't necessarily intended as a design that we ought to adopt, but more to get people to stop and think about the issues with how we're doing it today. Some of it might just be user mindset. A lot of people are drawn to Gentoo by minimalism, and I'd count myself among them in general. However, that leads to a certain tendency to start out with the most minimal starting point within Gentoo, and I don't know that this is a good idea. Even the desktop profile for Gentoo is pretty minimal compared to a lot of distros out there. While you can get Gentoo running with busybox and such and I completely support having profiles to enable this, I'm not sure this is the sort of thing that we want to point new users towards as a starting point. --=20 Rich