From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EF758973 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FCE821C025; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f170.google.com (mail-io0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A991C21C003 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 1so2654457ion.1 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:49:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ijdhzBgo9nKWp+OB6lGDrIbaBePJjMemRDEcTLbmo3I=; b=kLG5z5TThPRAv65SMIK6ab9OyVBv7C+sklEfX8Rz2bR6eT2MGcbPia1VHaKT4toN1n wrnW4HR1lYF4073QASTrjBGUQr+4QnjlxHJaaqlVh7WDr+6iqi8UtyN6h+UTyYpmPOKu y4cBL39XXTX7dOlIKYEMAu/7WCNV6tnzlMC4NOpqS+bLWqMlNG6AlE5uXi0C9GwNG1jU mcivmMnd4FFeTQxItPxoKQZ+6LwFaBskh/zZYFmZ4yQXKr4o9YetXRZHYYs0k1hRJqWc sEFKXd2GM2Q47D+3rcMnLeEsu0YmX/zjXO9ZPp2j8CV+xo+4lyk4J3wi4/pHwb/cjWcD bnjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ijdhzBgo9nKWp+OB6lGDrIbaBePJjMemRDEcTLbmo3I=; b=aar84yvCpB5qd9eI4S5jGtIdJUOYOSqjymz3RiLEPUFUx5gfNv/Ijk9T7jcpKlpmQS AozHn2VObfiSdaT+JZoVauRZIfO3LtroCx/KypGIHUkPPPHGknzvKTcgCMkLUxNTxsRM SOSj6wKA0g1vm57TvZgdnvZkbIEVmaLzzRty+J3KUKOKS2g/MwP4VCdItZ2UhXLPXkUx 2P/oxtaHz9L9KjvRHg5yC4mjxO4zuzsVEstDhyz25ONwH3MtSvcALDrs+oAzxfRdTXah xID4s9/+hh1+CzKBgmrSdpBUnUOUDbaUaDp5qXhYNAm/3qujcYcdpcimNadXIKG4pzNG 8HoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl929R2KhCWKqmestnEeih14m+YAWSQYO+y5+FHBR0zb4q/+jUY+1tC5iHQ/KJZ3cNAQWMskq56QZyHjMk9eO/p0TgnQA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.46.228 with SMTP id u97mr29412311iou.136.1453247341958; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:49:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.225.233 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:49:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20160119224250.6eb04117@snowflex> References: <569DCD51.6000501@gentoo.org> <20160119233230.58ded831.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20160119224250.6eb04117@snowflex> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:49:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ylLOzIetxgENgcuo1M04fsDCaN0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFD] Adopt-a-package, proxy-maintenance, and other musings From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: fe81da8e-6243-4544-b1e2-598dae2b6199 X-Archives-Hash: 4b1923a6cda59f5e3f56796cd51785f8 On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:32:30 +0100 > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> The problem was, is and will be that packages are unmaintained. Not >> that stats show that they are many. > > No it's not. Gentoo is about the community, and it's important for the > community not to perceive that there is a problem. Being honest where > users or Phoronix could pick up on it is bad PR. Let's not create a > toxic perception of the state of the tree. > To be fair while at times I'm not a big fan of treecleaning things that aren't horribly broken, I've never been opposed to marking them as maintainer-needed. That's what they are. And I certainly don't support hiding problems (and nor does our social contract). Yes,I realize that by replying I'm basically accepting that the criticism above applies to me. I'll agree that on the community vs pragmatism scale I tend to fall more to the left sometimes. It isn't a position without its disadvantages. --=20 Rich