From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 281951396D0 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:02:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C622E0E98; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDAEAE0E2C for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id b65so3466591wrd.0 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=u/pRtd8zSms7bnQ8t6McM0LlcY3Z9tFeCpPs9ENiyjg=; b=cm0gJStmxLJ24GcTm0lgjHRbWB2lJobZQNRVRZG3zXlD13iTtoynFqCvXiLAZyE4jD lI8A9EOrsnXBFGXpEaWIrlTBSlgtokTmVpdbFZlyCf8PrB5BshVQXc9La9c0YdeEYy/i 9ww/bnwgz8Jal7L55SKAz2MTp+bxSXr5T6/uS7WSR7qdzGMJS5+vZwHdqnABb4aXZZKF YYMJk5Tc4jZcis91VjtjC3iPNnSZZ3TwfC3wKYBXhP+TpmXZOPVxb4oI/8MhY8e97ZjB 3GpfeZB7s3kxGglRVdjzUBuW+B9Cf/qhsYbmCMw/jzbwVMY9Qp/1DlXkU7hP+mJa5xbY F3dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=u/pRtd8zSms7bnQ8t6McM0LlcY3Z9tFeCpPs9ENiyjg=; b=C4/ClgqZmrCXZ5m23SDRs0ILTILjS2lxt+8DfaFA6gg5zs6r4Jul4S6csT8H7PAELw J2NMGg+ZG93/Svg5WXI6KUmyCgvQXWXWOCc7tHWe4L72WStFsfNiQlsNUVmHQ3FHQYHl AER3GxmDz39UBVL6Gg9qXsFr5WM48sURt/repn9PfQEh8G2F8ml9EH5NeoXojpDI7glu Ob08ilOz7RqdFVyuafCaUJmkw8pDHN4ZLnIoPSJ3Kn6q+rEwHC8iv0MfpG1YuQQXy7qd VtdeHTljNLk4ymA5CgKwbAO4iXrxq2YifEWwxx1TOI3XbtlCq9nwjB23dA6Rhyr7jU/B M63g== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5j5F8NlKKzjr1vPs+Le9+F6DQUHXvUSD0Sj8gssrcVowZNRNW98 AyvxU8hgpOLfIEwEvFiJakZS+9xiNykJLaE= X-Received: by 10.223.128.131 with SMTP id 3mr20751108wrl.77.1502805748895; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 07:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.223.169.238 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 07:02:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2aa8eb6e-e6c2-5e9c-4c47-b1923aa3efb0@gentoo.org> References: <20170814215842.55855987@ham> <1502747720.9741.0.camel@gentoo.org> <150278963744.21353.3047478076045351690@ham.local.de> <55d4128b-8def-c341-cb9a-20775303bec5@gentoo.org> <2aa8eb6e-e6c2-5e9c-4c47-b1923aa3efb0@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 07:02:28 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2wVCShMhxgA7vGE29W1MDRcuHeA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 6b4d956f-b05f-44d4-ac1e-a84a7aa8dd9f X-Archives-Hash: 97543f5c63f11e6c4822e0afc4aa81e5 On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 08/15/2017 02:21 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> For example, could you say that a client-only install that still >> installs the X11 components is "minimal?" > > Its somewhat context dependent, for an X application this doesn't > necessarily constitute additional dependencies for the system (think > desktop profile), whereby an application that is primarily used on > servers suddenly needing some graphics processing dragging it in is > likely wrong. > > That said, the use flag description isn't more detailed than "minimal - > Install a very minimal build (disables, for example, plugins, fonts, > most drivers, non-critical features)", so I'd say it is appropriate > I'm not actually sure what you're advocating here. My suggestion is to avoid minimal entirely, because for a package like this it is just going to be confusing because there are so many different optional features and disabling any of them could be situational. It is probably also worth nothing that minimal is itself a negative flag. I really question whether we ought to have it at all. If you're suggesting to use minimal for bacula, then what specifically should it actually enable/disable in this particular case? For reference, the current IUSE is: IUSE="acl bacula-clientonly bacula-nodir bacula-nosd examples ipv6 libressl logwatch mysql postgres qt4 readline +sqlite ssl static tcpd vim-syntax X" There are a lot of features one might debate toggling with "minimal" in that list. -- Rich