From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3667D1382C5 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 516EEE0A9B; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl0-x243.google.com (mail-pl0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5775E09AE for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl0-x243.google.com with SMTP id w12-v6so2050526plp.4 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=uISCW06dve69AzjUtbZDul+28iipE0TQ+3uRajz+csg=; b=eJPUgjVXxMXTT0DABLrC6UwuG79Qm/Lg0EIQbXUQA7b0nvvqMLqMGpcuk26S5V7Tad Y6XNdE6A2Vc8vMdLz/RjTQv9axv39ltMhq2Yin64ObyzKZa1xrkXphWrks1ECEGu+yqj 16Vdr6oQL8BACVU836Smsajcn+nW/F98f8eCIn9gkLrLyHw73v1KDBJ0r40P8xR9V6Om 0IeO2w5/q3ikQ9310vIdobH83k5PdM+eDSguG59/ldZ6rYoRyGXkAH6uLsOO5yAJ8c4i te+n4YB4pkshew2KMct8CeTeR54kkDxCZoDQHPHmSwbJAM3a/NmO2lGqFHPgzTnT92mn 7EiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=uISCW06dve69AzjUtbZDul+28iipE0TQ+3uRajz+csg=; b=WtBq4Bbg9wTRoJiqbI9fvjbi5BVhLzrZsROJlgZUQPRUOWzvu6vyR5L5HAPWnWhLPJ cEuhpli+S8ep+VwtwR+lppYCDr/HumFIs/s/syWC1x6MyEExXQFJEMHjau07Z07ZSaYM 6IPhm4uhvAbIIWetr8xgWwUZP9+VUirmNIf+2X3h8eyKkTKjKF6QJ6OMxLLSXM+BSQFg YcXcHFiT7NK2csCo8/jbQeouEKRd7xYd/tdVF4AZUzdAy7HIEZXXxIdu3VkA1IXeExNl RciHbkU3wBzQ914JybKq9IKD5tnljgITDD2QyvSX3q8DC1W9iuV9U5NVov76fCnC6876 QCMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GiJJveODphRYj6s3y4xQVa4a1Oc2uMTYKm9rlnHqq4BXnCdZ+u +KTveQdx8y+VcVwneW8QMVq58WSvqE270CgpVPdkgQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELt715rQj7T7BmwrdwrIxNoGPHvHOz29bgx5glX46ExJVzrwHAovDTP2YbSUHofzMoiktc356qfvoKzPn4K1i3A= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:684:: with SMTP id 4-v6mr18799355plh.262.1521590923232; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.174.22 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:08:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87605qs3pi.fsf@gentoo.org> References: <4aab96fa-0edb-6a28-791e-28e2103f2a30@gentoo.org> <0818a5b0-cc1e-403f-6c08-1285999de30f@gentoo.org> <20180320160316.GA5785@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <87605qs3pi.fsf@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 20:08:42 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BsBrCVp1rNmgfAVD9uzqaRfbpZM Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Mailing list moderation and community openness To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: ffc5de27-e4af-4ece-89b9-e3a687050989 X-Archives-Hash: ccc95ba2dcc35e48c83de004b0f05ca9 On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Benda Xu wrote: > William Hubbs writes: > >> I do feel that this decision reflects badly on us as a community and >> should be reversed immediately. The proper way to deal with people who >> have bad behavior is to deal with them individually and not put a >> restriction on the community that is not necessary. > > I agree with William. Dealing with individuals makes more sense. > > It boils down to an attitude of assuming outsiders are good (blacklist > to ML) or bad (whitelist to ML) by default. Actually, I think it is more of a technical constraint. It is basically impossible to blacklist somebody on a mailing list, since all they need to do is roll up a new email address. I can think of various arguments for whitelisting or not whitelisting, but it seems silly to blacklist. -- Rich