From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33C83158089 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6F602BC059; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb1-f174.google.com (mail-yb1-f174.google.com [209.85.219.174]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6242E2BC055 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-d7bae413275so8985060276.0 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:19:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694510342; x=1695115142; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=J21yW3j9vKLROjPzrKPfUSprzxYO8EN+0Logep+3lRw=; b=eWIdJDYRcZBSbe/MZYXQy7k8SmcY2tk+WpEHGA3N1NyDQJWa4ivPdmwGiGxZJfPBqF h0uSCuggw5tKSFpZD8Qf0XsPI4cH5wAy1tEiyh8fgT8sIdfe8Tz7N34bDX/WxUoNbg0s BlNAW9Ot/fYEBVPemjBEey39minQAUiI8zeI2qgJS0DZIosQCLLnFc85N9R7pExmzqUw 0FSmt1D7pij/8W8GNWIiISVb/G0DufPnqBQmelEx3FNTjOU2NKog/e+RYVg+LHrMe5ny i0wnlyMtmZ/dyx+YA0UpOwxg5W2qnwHbjj0x0hVYstvqjUEMLFr6I6U+dUj3tYdtTgfF SKSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyRTytgzQ33fGOHGDrJ02GWzkp+/ssZafmd5khNbAtLwDOr6zwr NLj34HQybBHbJSLGHv+mJVyXxdnwIGcyTbKMyKdhjJMq X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGjcHpSjS6/6btRAVe7YYOJwPGDk63QRlroJBPbfHjK+7CSTSMCdkE9V0QOTIq9FTdVWdfb4dTDGdBq+nKRa3k= X-Received: by 2002:a25:dc11:0:b0:d09:22c0:138d with SMTP id y17-20020a25dc11000000b00d0922c0138dmr2433711ybe.7.1694510342226; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <20230911082243.65aa85f5@Akita> <4128737.ElGaqSPkdT@kona> <20230911084231.73dd619f@Akita> <5848191c-8708-edfe-0c69-eeced3907b0d@gmail.com> <87zg1szc23.fsf@gentoo.org> <20230911141451.7c88dd7a@Akita> <87edj4z9q6.fsf@gentoo.org> <20230911143249.704f5d3a@Akita> <87sf7kxtue.fsf@gentoo.org> <20230911151008.77c829ea@Akita> <87edj4xsjr.fsf@gentoo.org> <20230911193424.4f6ef6ad@Akita> In-Reply-To: <20230911193424.4f6ef6ad@Akita> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: bff560a4-46f6-4744-ad3c-78783e5371bf X-Archives-Hash: d3f4564bb36b556998792e2bb8b6fc06 On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:34=E2=80=AFPM orbea wrote: > > Regardless the disappointment is a valid concern when Gentoo is willing > to pull the rug up from under users feet under erroneous claims of the > project being dead. > As a complete outsider, I think this conversation is focusing on the wrong issue. IMO the main reason it is getting treecleaned is the lack of a maintainer. Everything about this entire back-and-forth screams lack-of-maintainer. You're essentially arguing that the Gentoo devs are out of touch with the real status of upstream. To a point I'd agree - that's because normally it is a maintainer who stays on top of that stuff. This is a fairly critical system package for anybody who has it installed. You don't want something like that not getting attention when it has a problem, whether upstream or packaging-related. Blueness kinda summed it up in his original news item. This isn't something that can be handled by a drive-by commit or two, or a loosely involved proxy-maintainer. Somebody needs to really step up and take ownership of eudev for it to be viable. Even if upstream were great I wouldn't want to be using a stale package that is barely maintained. What is really needed is somebody stepping up and saying I will maintain this. If they were a Gentoo dev then the mask would probably be gone already (IMO never would have happened if they stepped up before now). If it were a proxy I don't want to speculate too much but they'd probably need to have a good history with such things. Without anybody saying "I will personally fix this stuff" I just don't see the treecleaning process stopping. Arguing about the state of upstream isn't going to change much, and if there were a maintainer they'd just be dealing with it. Sorry for this being a bit of a ramble. I do feel for your situation, but I don't want to see you fighting the wrong battle. Disclaimer: this is just my outside observation having seen many a treecleaning frustration in the past. I don't speak for any authority in Gentoo here. --=20 Rich