From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RDypn-0001yn-7x for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:26:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52A9121C117; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBCD21C075 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzt12 with SMTP id zt12so53821bkb.40 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:26:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mB/3Mtrq1VSTHhSJ4TvmcHx1H017Hen42JMBL4huEog=; b=R2IoBu/1ZT4+gK27ezptLYLGl/Hxca5f2A/pFr49OaWj/hIZZJ2/tO80utXlbdXiAY qAB3qYGlbALUmNZcACJOlTLy/s4p7xWKci7+TStvU4zhqU8iOOPPMmyCRr51e1Unil/O D2OEtZQGk1gmczsUyvoCfbf37tygjy4LiNu+k= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.141 with SMTP id x13mr6967117bkw.54.1318425972781; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.72.195 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:26:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> References: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:26:12 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ilM67Bu4Od0ldimIuM5bzxKrVWY Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: e36731ec4c15cb3cb06d580ec7515fd7 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Walter Dnes wrote= : > =A0Forking udev is probably not an option. =A0The udev lead developer is = a > Redhat employee, and his direction seems to be to drag everybody in > Redhat's direction. =A0Our community doesn't have Redhat's billions. We should note that RedHat is already spending their billions to make dracut smarter, and if initramfs is good enough for RHEL then it should be good enough for us if somebody just has to have /usr on a separate device and needs some of the fancier udev rules to work on boot. For those who don't need dracut there was already a stated desire to provide a simplified initramfs. And, for less complex setups, you don't need it at all. My concern with something like dropping udev is that it would make us different from every other desktop distro out there. I'm not aware of any distro packaging Gnome/KDE without udev. Not having Redhat's billions to me is a good reason to try to do things the same way that Redhat does them - so that we're not re-inventing the wheel. Gentoo is still a fairly meta distro and if users want to remove udev they probably can do it without a great deal of hassle if they don't want hot more hotplugish experience and don't use the big desktop environments. It just doesn't make sense to make that a default. In the same way I don't mind a list of CFLAGS that spans 3 lines but I'd never advocate putting that into the default make.conf. Rich