From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:26:12 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_nctddpGF9MCGoSHEw7TN4Af9iU6jn+OhGhht3B5NbHkA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org>
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> Forking udev is probably not an option. The udev lead developer is a
> Redhat employee, and his direction seems to be to drag everybody in
> Redhat's direction. Our community doesn't have Redhat's billions.
We should note that RedHat is already spending their billions to make
dracut smarter, and if initramfs is good enough for RHEL then it
should be good enough for us if somebody just has to have /usr on a
separate device and needs some of the fancier udev rules to work on
boot. For those who don't need dracut there was already a stated
desire to provide a simplified initramfs. And, for less complex
setups, you don't need it at all.
My concern with something like dropping udev is that it would make us
different from every other desktop distro out there. I'm not aware of
any distro packaging Gnome/KDE without udev. Not having Redhat's
billions to me is a good reason to try to do things the same way that
Redhat does them - so that we're not re-inventing the wheel.
Gentoo is still a fairly meta distro and if users want to remove udev
they probably can do it without a great deal of hassle if they don't
want hot more hotplugish experience and don't use the big desktop
environments. It just doesn't make sense to make that a default. In
the same way I don't mind a list of CFLAGS that spans 3 lines but I'd
never advocate putting that into the default make.conf.
Rich
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-12 13:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-12 4:40 [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 5:05 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-12 13:10 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 5:32 ` Nathan Phillip Brink
2011-10-12 13:09 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 23:37 ` Nathan Phillip Brink
2011-10-12 7:05 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-12 13:09 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 16:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-12 17:25 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-12 17:30 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-10-12 17:49 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2011-10-12 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2011-10-13 15:14 ` Olivier Crête
2011-10-13 15:28 ` Rich Freeman
2011-10-13 16:30 ` Arun Raghavan
2011-10-13 17:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-13 18:34 ` Samuli Suominen
2011-10-13 18:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-13 18:59 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-13 19:03 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-13 17:05 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2011-10-15 8:42 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-10-15 8:57 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2011-10-15 9:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-15 9:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-15 22:07 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-16 12:52 ` [gentoo-dev] supporting /usr on separate partition (was: Suggestion for getting rid of udev) Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-16 18:44 ` [gentoo-dev] supporting /usr on separate partition Zac Medico
2011-10-16 19:36 ` Graham Murray
2011-10-16 19:40 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-17 16:02 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-17 17:24 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-17 17:50 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-17 17:55 ` Samuli Suominen
2011-10-17 19:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-17 20:01 ` Sven Vermeulen
2011-10-17 20:31 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-16 13:07 ` [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Rich Freeman
2011-10-16 19:33 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-17 20:59 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-10-18 18:03 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-15 4:06 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-15 7:29 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-15 17:13 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-15 20:45 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-10-15 7:33 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-13 14:12 ` Thomas Kahle
2011-10-15 3:37 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-15 3:47 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-12 7:08 ` Markos Chandras
2011-10-12 13:26 ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2011-10-12 19:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-13 2:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-10-13 2:43 ` Rich Freeman
2011-10-13 15:17 ` [gentoo-dev] " Olivier Crête
2011-10-13 15:27 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-16 18:06 ` Greg KH
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