From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C968F139694 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE2FC1FC0D1; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x242.google.com (mail-yw0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71B151FC0C8 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x242.google.com with SMTP id u207so7472481ywc.0 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Km8mhjLo/DS8uOWoKisu+8yMF3FkUvSTdi6amCBFJdU=; b=uZ3FIvQ6EGBeBzgCwfX7fB4qYbXP4urPNy+7BH3ek8k7HgXN39zfrUU9ZmTiys4ZiO NRjXMFWWqSX04mwsz9hSs1pytSnE421AkaTDJLyCKy4FoCkTJyfgFJuAoFdELIEsTJdt vnZRPZVnhYUmp1BJeR3l7YPcWzWdPIuhScUneoBginl67qz8DG7CmwldCHF5AvLTSHfk q34igd3XnkIcPEYG9vTxqLERypfGI1Qz2RM3wv8N85GUfqc944jSOpm8vJufeyh0mgoJ /4XFDM1mtb2fAF7Bc4fJSShxnUk8YuxEL6cXQi0A3UGOJ9oMqASVy7vIm6vPmxg9oYE/ VYTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Km8mhjLo/DS8uOWoKisu+8yMF3FkUvSTdi6amCBFJdU=; b=SED1LsIdasl/CC4zaBf9s6Uc8HUQLRyR6PH1aIpe3QDcWDeq7rgSYKfwRcrhJr8Bz2 i+CWvpqEssMnzKZdCV+ZP+xb8T6C3PGbCh57KfzPN+xlcG/9xQZvGf4YYCJLoBoZs8xq Y6VGr7n1drZBY1VkMV0W7E12M8Xm9kbKPiqs9boCGqql/OWgGDXvH86XXqk/7CiIamyA fIOSzrfeZvPughSeTLHA8iCyIHmmgMExGvRLfTTQIKDbsrpipcC7dMWT8nvPujkbrkAi jHH68pH9UtKpRWXJFCWvuK8zrENu6Y2SDlNT6rzbxP0HarlT2/GaFTBsLXBtVvrzfbiT 8kNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112MxMZpb0aJYbaK2ycBUFxsyMD91KKg7aeccEseeqyS2MEPagSV yKGioUBwLFC8ikv59dkoWY8YrjJa94ku X-Received: by 10.129.130.71 with SMTP id s68mr5136670ywf.176.1501198891502; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.71.3 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> From: Rich Freeman Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:41:30 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KzllNa-ekmg9gIhyIrihq375oi8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? To: Denis Dupeyron Cc: gentoo-dev , wg-stable@gentoo.org, arch-leads@gentoo.org, Gentoo alpha AT , Gentoo AMD64 AT , amd64-fbsd@gentoo.org, Gentoo arm AT , arm64@gentoo.org, Gentoo hppa AT , Gentoo ia64 AT , Gentoo m68k AT , Gentoo mips AT , Gentoo ppc AT , Gentoo ppc64 AT , Gentoo s390 AT , Gentoo sh AT , Gentoo sparc AT , Gentoo x86 AT , x86-fbsd@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: ef105d99-f004-4d0a-bf33-841f4da4046d X-Archives-Hash: 7e1b49775a98cbe759006d9d2b50fb8f On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > > Here's a data point you may, or may not, find relevant. in 16 years of using > Gentoo exclusively, the only one time I used stable on one machine for about > 2 years it ended up being much more of a pain than unstable. Actually, I > can't say I have anything to complain about unstable. When in the last 16 years was this 2 year period of running stable? The general state of QA has varied quite a bit over that time. Judging by the open bugs anybody running unstable systemd has been going through a bit of pain in the last week as various scripts/etc are updated to handle the change in install location. Now, it could have been masked initially, but that is really no different except it is a different set of guinea pigs. If unstable never breaks chances are we aren't actually using it for its intended purpose, not that we should be deliberately breaking things. -- Rich