From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB2A138010 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E75B0E07A8; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1254AE079C for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a11so6094925iee.39 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:22:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MgYr/zObTpCqYrEygEjAfkb2gfzsn3q4STpdjifL+QM=; b=XQNDJco0LTAoytqStLZ96ggjQq50Fg2eYxj0kmS8gOmJL4WrPHYtog53/U8qQu6pfN JDYiPyNBlvN5nrvHZKKYMQrBk8gCjID6fMdhQ6Z7CAopPjnZ3f7VGYn09tqHvSYe39eQ 0S72KRPPLpExxx9w3OfllCS2kcPaggEbcrLnn4HLrRf7x1JUfJuBqTDvIC/apxqpp4+n UoVqX+7m0/2IU0diZltvQT0EKmbtAF2U01yhgc5bGaIMgsFy/tS/kKGG6tP/21engJul p2jq9NIiUblY9anOUYbuM8HWfFNgcPLcoX/ljw0MclUGGECPTlk7TDDDar48jf1VIZoL afEw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.65.145 with SMTP id xm17mr4585978icb.35.1364124155140; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.135.36 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:22:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <514ED8B5.4010505@gentoo.org> References: <514CE32C.7090509@gentoo.org> <20130324091557.ED2AB8B7870@amit.localdomain> <514ED8B5.4010505@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:22:34 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ftL2hKQrdIQdC7d9wtvXsMxalmA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 93b639a9-076a-43fe-9062-23340631e40b X-Archives-Hash: 1272ca48eb56c662b747e45b957652c7 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > So per https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462366#c4, the package > now has a new maintainer so it will not be removed. > See? This is what I call a good solution instead of going around and > constantly saying "Ohhh bad bad Gentoo removes awesome packages" Probably worth noting that the real problem for packages like these is a barely-existent upstream. If a package is really important to you it behooves you to try to support upstream however you can. I've yet to really dig into the issues with this package, but some of the Gentoo bugs refer to working implementations in other distros or upstream filed patches that apparently aren't in the repository yet. These are really upstream issues. So, while cuneiform has a lease on life in Gentoo, it is really just a matter of time before some big dependency change kills it for good if upstream doesn't pick up momentum. I don't mind maintaining an odd patch or two, but there is no way something like this is going to stay in the tree if it ends up becoming a blocker for some big toolchain upgrade (unless the fix is trivial). So, if you find this package really useful consider this whole thread as a warning. I don't personally use it, but I think that this package isn't quite at the point of no return and at least some appear to be passionate about it so I'm willing to buy them some time. If it does reach that point, then I'll put out a call for maintainers (proxy or otherwise) and put it down myself if there is no response to save treecleaners the duplicate effort. If you aren't interested in developing then offer donations to upstream, or do something to revitalize the project. It isn't a lost cause - YET. On a side note, if you use this instead of tesseract I'd be interested in hearing about why (off list). In my very limited tests tesseract seems to perform better. The cuneiform community (what little there is) would do well to understand their niche and exploit it, or influence healthier projects to address their needs. Markos - I'm not sure what can be done to try to better flush out user interest in taking care of packages that are on the verge of death. I'd suggest announcing pending removals before masking them, but I suspect that more often than not the only reason we get replies on -dev is that users notice the masks. Maybe the package masks could have a webpage explaining how users can help rescue packages constructively, and include a link to it in mask notices. Since I've tended to be an advocate for not masking as quickly I might go ahead and toss something together. Rich