From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1204A1381F3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A64C7E09CB; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C03A9E09AA for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hz11so2044979vcb.24 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2YCO6prRn5BJHdz6E39ajfsV/+0bg1MgbirSvl7RxmA=; b=K+vKoyczfYQtTHIdrpDgpHOwXctAqQtnWTrsDlYDj5mb8meSn0OBYjhjLlprhaI58D ZuyTq1bzZZ+oeLNR58oauUTpBc+RNS94SuCuAfGK+1xPaFILKcWD9+ME34sE8MQrynQE ukY2S0J9TSIkEztImjcmEvLF1ki8B5p5Y37zbDGO87RLeH53q7WARASr2kOq8VnpOgur IOU4e+tFJnGoDdWnKr3zgb6SpqzRPustZ8JM1jNLLtuJIany1mI657t1WLnL1bhVQCRM hdub1Vr0/ZzXFmviHzVGNOxjMdApznL/+qK0weM9rgFSICQSAc8wtFQiIFU9AsbE1dB9 FOcg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.138.75 with SMTP id z11mr12872250vct.0.1366827411886; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.168.4 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130424175407.GA2404@linux1> References: <20130424161606.GA1607@linux1> <51780F2D.7060007@gentoo.org> <20130424172323.GB2323@linux1> <201304241334.37807.vapier@gentoo.org> <20130424175407.GA2404@linux1> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:16:51 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fwgETYI1qOJy__5fTqmt7nz_LXw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 5d68b1c8-6ce0-4219-a790-f302684bb625 X-Archives-Hash: 34a89ca8e3b1e33c86ff16b1b8c8ce70 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like > IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do > emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet. > > Also, (although I don't really care about this much because we tell people > not to do it), folks who set USE="-* foo bar bas" in their make.conf would > get hit immediately with this solution. > > Am I missing something? It just seems like this is putting off the > emerge command people will need to run for a while. It seems to me like network support needs to be some kind of default for Gentoo. A USE default is probably one of the least intrusive ways to do that - and we can always have an ewarn in the event both are suppressed (those who override all USE defaults should be on the lookout for trouble). Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of the system set, though that would be consistent with what we're doing with ssh, and it is still override-able. Rich