From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962A1138010 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93659E0743; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABB2AE0678 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id b13so3868458vby.5 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:45:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d7OYChHrpYPgwTYpYvyFQ19fWTfD+wSoBObOQQjjJJQ=; b=Ury3DRjJoNAzvOExWNjU1rbPOubwBciYntmldvnZ9geZa2WdNrAZoUvp3DoiM3b8QA btgYioHLrCNJgzyN9UZnJ1xVhJE8fYWyj2XlL2MeSTrRRrh7327y4QT5ewlfvh6F3rCJ Oo/Qj8Wj+aAK4/zppADifD1Q10qdiCTMpLJICO59FmTLKFG8lx7v42iQ2kqcTDWpqT5q R+y1LkWXiT3fTxap43NIPmUtu00n3d2Knu0uBbwvO1HHvEECruFA70tZxp7Vzhabmuqn TVFUabIdL++pUV0nGBf8d7tJGm82pyVj0rhfdT8BaaoJhWZAtz9DYU0UcpwVU8LbJ/h1 EaBw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.50.197 with SMTP id e5mr15459123veo.47.1364219141667; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.101.225 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:45:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130325124930.GA84960@skade.schwarzvogel.de> References: <201303232128.35768.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <514EE479.7020205@plaimi.net> <514F5833.3080805@plaimi.net> <514F6829.2050101@plaimi.net> <20130325093213.GB113529@skade.schwarzvogel.de> <515036B3.5070903@plaimi.net> <20130325122045.GA54342@skade.schwarzvogel.de> <51504354.8080206@plaimi.net> <20130325124930.GA84960@skade.schwarzvogel.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:45:41 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Jvi09OftmkFumY_2rZZw_2jzXfg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: fa8be46d-6d6b-45ca-97ef-e8d744a5dc5b X-Archives-Hash: f386b10380134fe664186a718017292e On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Tobias Klausmann wrote: > Thing is that SRCD does a lot more things than our mini ISO does. > As a result, keeping it going on half a dozen architectures is > more work than maintaining our arguably very simple images. There > is a reason why we abandoned making the "fat" install images a > while back and now only do them as one-offs for special events > (like the 10y anniversary). Tend to agree. To install Gentoo you really just need a shell, the ability to partition and create filesystems, some basic networking (even that is somewhat optional), and a text editor. Sure, a browser and such is a real nice-to-have, as would be something nicer than nano, but you really don't need them to install Gentoo. You really don't need much more than a kernel and busybox to be honest. There is no reason that we have to use the same install media on all arch's, though it does simplify the docs. It also isn't that important to update the install media so quickly. If we just kept an archive of our old autobuilds when they break we could just leave the last known good copy up until things are straightened out. I'd put more priority on up-to-date stage3s. It is a real pain if you're doing an install and the first thing you're doing is updating udev and migrating to kmod, or whatever and having to deal with eselect news. Users should at least get to use the system for 5 minutes before dealing with that stuff, especially if a few big changes have queued up... Rich