From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SrIPz-0005wc-Tn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:47:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A711CE06FC; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FBCE059C for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so956507bkw.40 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:46:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Yh1/bGdh+65KYZIHgCHRawGLEHhHngaL9Tc7nVBXtCw=; b=AEEZyRvI9F+0w5hz+DKcdSJW9A1LObhNrWbtyOgqCbliPDxqJMkodCNijyUXx6N6wo lehLLtfIFjr7GQjZkS2+CoZLXWI7kksQa4pdQB0O59Udp4HhfHx7gwpPvNgf04H+2dT1 N0ZCKkP2VNtFawk3lDvdKCprEXswuk16Gjo1Q5DXeIbk9RMT4uc7BucH1gal+/IxJVJ8 8g/tu4SYn4uyOXgjY40uxKwLyRlup+UlemDmj9pQFRbICZhQMRDm3T9Qu5LJeiE2uKM2 UouSOeL1r7JcVKqbrx4ZPFxVICFuHflVIZ8bZNYr9q2BREqxWx0351HeiXrbS9hXNta0 kcRA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.211 with SMTP id p19mr515978bkw.12.1342572373410; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.35.79 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:46:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <500604B0.3080809@gentoo.org> References: <5005D70D.3060108@gentoo.org> <20120717230245.GA17825@linux1> <5005F314.6070805@gentoo.org> <20120718001209.GA18218@linux1> <500604B0.3080809@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:46:13 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: q5-_6yQEBOFJ6yLoC48Zqr1tQHE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 690826c0-3675-4836-851a-c18a079ab131 X-Archives-Hash: 4720dc0e5bb8fc09ebb5cdaee7803e12 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > I have yet to see any convincing reason to do this other than "RedHat is > doing it". This change will not make Gentoo a better distribution and it > is simply not worth the pain. Some people appear to think that this is > an urgent issue and I doubt anything I say will change their minds. The > main problem that I have is getting them to accept that they are wrong > that urgent action is needed. I firmly believe that we could wait a few > years before doing anything. I don't think anybody else is suggesting doing anything at all in the first place. If we don't do anything, then lots of stuff moves to /usr. I think that is what you're missing. The /usr move basically starts happening on its own automatically if we DON'T do much. This is because upstream is the one pushing it. Few are advocating rushing either - if upstream takes years to make this happen I doubt it will upset many on this list. My sense is the general maintainer sentiment is to go with the flow - they're not going to patch udev/etc to move more stuff into usr, but they're not gong to patch it to move stuff back out either. If you really want to support leaving stuff where it is then you or others need to volunteer to start helping with maintaining these packages, and deal with any mess it creates. Rich