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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr
From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
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On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted:
> > I don't see any added benefit from using DBUS on my servers.
>
> Interesting question. I hadn't seen the suggestion until this thread,
> either, and it bothered me too.
>
>
Well, I can't really speak about the specific issue as I'm not sure what the
maintainers of dbus, systemd, and udev are thinking.
However, I can imagine that the goals of parties like Canonical and RedHat
are to cut down on the number of configurations. If the server image is
vastly different from the desktop image you start having to divide your
resources to maintain both. If the only difference is that you install a
little less stuff (or just different stuff) by default then it isn't such a
big deal.
Gentoo is not immune to these pressures either. If upstream moves in one
direction then it will take consistent effort just to stay still. Anytime
we have six months without a dev we'll just inevitably get pulled along with
upstream anyway. If people have concerns with the direction upstream is
going, then they need to try to influence the upstream projects to change
direction. Simply posting on this list isn't going to change udev's
long-term strategy.
Personally I feel that Gentoo is all about choice and we should continue to
give our users as many choices as are practical. However, we don't have the
resources of Canonical and we can't just fork upstream and take it an
entirely different direction as a result.
Rich
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On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Duncan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:1i5t5.duncan@cox.net">1i5t5.duncan@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted:<br>
<div class=3D"im">> I don't see any added benefit from using DBUS on=
my servers.<br>
<br>
</div>Interesting question. =A0I hadn't seen the suggestion until this =
thread,<br>
either, and it bothered me too.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wel=
l, I can't really speak about the specific issue as I'm not sure wh=
at the maintainers of dbus, systemd, and udev are thinking.</div><div>
<br></div><div>However, I can imagine that the goals of parties like Canoni=
cal and RedHat are to cut down on the number of configurations. =A0If the s=
erver image is vastly different from the desktop image you start having to =
divide your resources to maintain both. =A0If the only difference is that y=
ou install a little less stuff (or just different stuff) by default then it=
isn't such a big deal.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Gentoo is not immune to these pressures either. =A0If u=
pstream moves in one direction then it will take consistent effort just to =
stay still. =A0Anytime we have six months without a dev we'll just inev=
itably get pulled along with upstream anyway. =A0If people have concerns wi=
th the direction upstream is going, then they need to try to influence the =
upstream projects to change direction. =A0Simply posting on this list isn&#=
39;t going to change udev's long-term strategy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Personally I feel that Gentoo is all about choice and w=
e should continue to give our users as many choices as are practical. =A0Ho=
wever, we don't have the resources of Canonical and we can't just f=
ork upstream and take it an entirely different direction as a result.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Rich</div></div>
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