From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QwCE3-0007n6-Bl for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:06:31 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8383521C3CB; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78BD21C3BD for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxd23 with SMTP id 23so1096115fxd.40 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jnLYyyOescQ39zSEIa4zlT9UveHBTwbiaYxU34DZhh0=; b=vZ4lYz5rZ2WVl9BWtzcuwQF1ndmBRqUetvB+uYr9V/fFC2+dJZKjtWq9NTxctcTvzc LrXyBxo3JuKOlqSFzLTV1p0KVZLOyzE7WwKtgYKt2x2R8VikesTKt3laOOqJXp4BLp2S ARAhPOyJe+4KpNObi9dudLLSRCD6IXKBubj3Q= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.97.210 with SMTP id m18mr7235929fan.127.1314187552857; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.223.115.80 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110824114504.GF19785@denkmatte.private.newton.cam.ac.uk> References: <20110822212030.GA8233@felicia> <20110824103135.GH20891@denkmatte.private.newton.cam.ac.uk> <4E54D703.9090806@gentoo.org> <201108241303.45073.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20110824114504.GF19785@denkmatte.private.newton.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:05:52 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m8k3ArceaqTbltotV3EiMDQXkrQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: ea4daf16df7a252807625659bfeb37a0 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle wrote: > Sorry, but NO. =A0If you want you can make a big noise message that asks > users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. Well, that's up to the Council/Trustees ultimately, but opinions (and better still reasoning) are welcome since both would no-doubt want to reflect the will of the community (and whatever is legal in the jurisdictions that matter). One option that many distros employ is a forced opt-in/out decision. During the install process they simply ask the user, and they have to hit either yes or no to continue. The reason most people don't opt-in is that they don't think about it, and this forces the issue. The Gentoo analogue would be to put something in make.conf or whatever that must be set one way or another. Maybe have an opt-in use flag and an opt-out use flag and if you don't set either emerge just dies with a notice or something. No doubt somebody could come up with a more elegant solution. Maybe another line of discussion that could inform the debate is what the value of this information is? For a company, knowing what packages are popular helps them to allocate resources. Gentoo is a volunteer effort and devs allocate their effort based on personal preference, though perhaps some would care about package popularity to an extent. So, we might not benefit to the same degree from this kind of information, since we can't crack the whip and force people to fix some broken package that is popular. Rich