From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84B41139694 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90A8FE0CD5; Wed, 10 May 2017 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x22d.google.com (mail-yw0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44A9FE0CC6 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id l14so2661057ywk.1 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:08:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=7f2KNG9UQBafvc9hPlLWUHE8vFm7nTKqMjpRjPls/Pk=; b=OpvV3NjLzGnbQ+wxj4YYpXu4ZYPkotEeKIKoa3F+gMXqvYAZ4MnpZ6lT+EqPHODTw9 dfusqrUfXvbQzxUJwAj/Ljrs6TJ3ladBH0HajF7Ck04WXBjAiyIOCwGHfVxsCRvmut4E xCZ/JofK5EPJO5Mi7Kg0ue2C3x/xyWpY906vLDd6E2CJGqYCoUTdRUqoxjhC1pYRqyEo CQxW1IvWoITy6QzC2z8+Zn1iqxZ/mLFu8quqebPc2GieKGuS3HRdLsL5gNzpyt0Qpqu1 uROCl6iBCqo2N7sRDxe4oueZZkf6LRT3S2AgxQ2ehYOR10iPY3kDpDLhyLtctoEDpbM3 hQgw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7f2KNG9UQBafvc9hPlLWUHE8vFm7nTKqMjpRjPls/Pk=; b=UTtE0tLGLsaWHVNfhMN5bNhFvIK+1nh+0Ne1zF+wTSTM+K9+u1WgLuZgTig/Ug6/26 gYo5dwSV8gaVwXYOHotxD0IYQmZycuB1RBxOWafMihlF+Q76VnnL8RX1enN3hFPg9gm6 ieaqJWh+W2vpCuqMoujx69rMr3ksHEJo8VZVM6mwOiphrYUSb19F0L9fTsVRsX2L6OYz sqdnomdtM79rbs6yjAUl2ReQB9Wbdal421t7oFxJQ05qHXseq0QE3lldgh1nlgsLFmUw bY6chZIKyetpibK+IX7Inkjs3o+L5eeIighDVNKag5FT0LT5JVZrtHyumTro2YvRXWJ+ bAKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcClKHWQd5H/s9jbbpYlKPJE2R8VhyIX6s2UmyxF45l4QXQswBuY B/UtUuIXVP8zL47n876YIqzp/uxeIoNy X-Received: by 10.13.209.193 with SMTP id t184mr6163828ywd.293.1494443321189; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.131.8 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:08:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1493548186.6038.2.camel@gentoo.org> <11422999.nSgCkNWNEm@pinacolada> <1494429771.29270.1.camel@gentoo.org> <1494430386.1333.10.camel@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:08:40 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6-jB_AJTAbbD06-xq6MmPKrnZj0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla package list editing To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: e79adae4-bebd-465f-b612-4e641bf0b116 X-Archives-Hash: b29ce9f00b9c92d823119ff03ea02d16 On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > From a non-gentoo developer who seriously looked at joining the community > over the last few years as a new developer, this entire conversation thread > is absurd, and is a wonderful example of why I decided to not bother. > > If you don't want people to edit the field such that it's usable with the > official package manager of the distribution, then change the formatting > rules for the field! > > If you don't want people editing a field, then change the software such that > groups who aren't allowed to edit the field aren't even capable of editing > it! > > Either officially document the expected formatting and permissions, or put > automated enforcement rules into place. Throwing accusations of wrongdoing > around simply because the action in question generates an email is, again, > absurd. > While the situation is indeed absurd, and this email will no doubt only fuel your shock, the solution isn't quite that simple. Validations probably would help, assuming they can be implemented in bugzilla. Permissions are a touchy situation, because the person who is being accused of incorrectly editing the field is also our main bug wrangler, who probably does more bug editing than just about anybody else. So, removing their permissions also removes one of their main areas of contribution to Gentoo. One of the issues that keeps coming up is around just how decentralized we are, and that has pros and cons. We're pretty reluctant to actually enforce just about anything, or sometimes we're inconsistent (we let somebody post on the mailing lists, but not github, and so on). -- Rich