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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:20:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_n3KBqjfA0HqTdmF2RQgb_raCZ=eRNa8aoaOgNRs1p3Ww@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAATnKFB3NkiYh2k65i0_nhb=gnuzzeSAUPm=NUN+wpLrkBYHmA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Kent Fredric <kentfredric@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's the obvious case of compiled-binaries where that might not be
> possible, but thats definately strawman stuff and I wouldn't support
> that sort of nonsense anyway. Compiled binaries for ebuilds can gtfo.
>

Why do I feel like a similar debate must have happened on some list
back when the SMTP message terminator was worked out?  The problem is
that we're running into is the use of in-band control information.

An advantage of sticking the EAPI in the filename is that it is
completely out-of-band.  Other options like an external file or POSIX
attributes have the same advantage (with the disadvantage that they
are harder to keep in-sync or support in general).

If you want to stick the EAPI inside the file then we have to go with
one of two routes:

1.  Make the file directly interpret-able by some existing tool like
bash, xml parsers, or (gtfo) ld-linux.so.  This requires making the
EAPI in-band info, and thus if the file format changes there is risk
that any existing code that interprets EAPIs could break, to the
degree that we weren't infinitely clever in designing the spec.

2.  Make the file require pre-processing before being fed to another
interpreter.  This breaks syntax-highlighting and such, and is
generally more of a pita.  However, this allows in-file EAPI info to
remain out-of-band.  An ebuild might be an xml file with EAPI and
other meta-data, and might contain sections that get ripped out and
handed over to bash, python, or ld-linux.so to the extent that you
want to be told to gtfo.

In my thinking the option with the fewest drawbacks and the greatest
extent of future-proofing is to go with GLEP 55 and stick it in the
filename.  Every filesystem and rsync tool handles filenames, they're
impossible to separate from file contents, and every interpreter out
there ignores them.

If we don't want to stick it in the filename then either we have to
decide that whatever we come up with could break, or that we really
have to change what ebuilds look like.

Rich



  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-12 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-07 20:41 [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-07 20:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-07 21:07 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-07 22:04   ` David Leverton
2012-03-07 22:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08  0:17   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 12:03   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:56     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:28       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:48         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:53           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:37             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 18:48               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 21:35                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 23:31                   ` Alec Warner
2012-03-09  3:05                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09  5:04                   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09  5:35                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09  5:51                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 14:42                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:05                           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:21                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:41                               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:51                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 15:58                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:49                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 16:57                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:20                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10 16:06                                         ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  1:55                                           ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12  4:08                                             ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  8:36                                               ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12 15:35                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:05                                                 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 16:12                                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:28                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14  2:01                                                   ` Brian Harring
2012-03-14  2:16                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:52                                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-09 16:15                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:33                                     ` Eray Aslan
2012-03-09 16:43                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:29                       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09 16:57                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:11                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-09 17:31                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:47                               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 18:03                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 19:08                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  2:03                                 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12  2:20                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  2:24                                     ` Alec Warner
2012-03-12  6:57                                       ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  6:50                                     ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  7:08                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  7:39                                         ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  8:27                                         ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  8:30                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12  9:09                                             ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  9:16                                               ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  9:48                                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-12 10:12                                                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 15:20                                                     ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2012-03-12 17:01                                                 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 17:30                                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:46                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 19:20                                                       ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  8:39                                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  9:10                                             ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  3:55                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 17:52                               ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  1:00                                 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-09 18:02                               ` James Broadhead
2012-03-09 18:24                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 18:29                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 18:33                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 18:56                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:23                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 20:09                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-19  1:12                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-19  1:36                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-19  3:21                     ` Brian Harring
2012-03-24 13:24                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-07 22:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08  2:22   ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 16:14     ` [gentoo-dev] Ebb (eb) was: " Todd Goodman
2012-03-08  4:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2012-03-08  7:27   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08  8:13     ` Alec Warner
2012-03-08 15:27       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:11         ` David Leverton
2012-03-08 16:21           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:29             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 16:50               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:59               ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08 17:03                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:17                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:31                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:48                       ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-08  9:42     ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 16:30       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:35         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:07           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 17:14             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:30               ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 17:37                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10  1:06                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-10 13:53                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 11:28         ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 12:06   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:58 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 16:51   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 17:03     ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-08 16:47 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-03-08 17:52 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:56   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:22   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 19:04   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:38     ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09  0:50 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-18  7:23 ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-03-18 11:18   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-18 11:27   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 19:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 20:19   ` Mike Frysinger

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