From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SCbR9-0000eK-1b for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:48:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 664DCE05EB; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC7FE05EC for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so236346bkw.40 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=INAZCUYzYaRVG6n8l7WYsgyZO1s8gU9qCb0jjBiiIXg=; b=WXHbFzHHQb3T9wT5E1MraWwMNftrC19+UnMou3ISZtlbQ+WzGGTLo/9dYqC2tfgTmp f2CwpLGHWP8Z0B4c4A5F19nX3QWUjo7BbvrbfGdrniCsjA2qUL0Z5nn9Z7z543Jr/wJm jNBaaAcXaLRrmW93ceB05Veau6MtqDoo/XS5oIEKhD2CYQjF5qeIe/GhsiVrdRW4aQ4b 5nVtSdKz50vE4YuxNKMYaVngAFVOIkSJm1TU9KxuekhUbPu50Jk6+JTNOqv7dfya7ApE BWI4ToJe/Ho+Zz3KXlO0yrjdiAronQWCruia3siDHzOBbRriaLo4r76IRzVH/AWLsHf/ 7lYg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.72 with SMTP id b8mr10669527bka.105.1332874035249; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.65.206 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1332873243.11827.15.camel@rook> References: <20337.28987.736877.961717@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120327154239.GA17394@gentoo.org> <1332870540.18466.9.camel@belkin4> <20120327180158.GA1468@siphos.be> <1332873243.11827.15.camel@rook> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:47:15 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PXBvfm6KxY-RCE6O1aN8ZqdZR1U Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 7b7a87c7-5764-4c0e-938b-850e8fe3c771 X-Archives-Hash: 0e721ae272aa049cb5241adad6cc4059 On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev > The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to decide on > *before* getting Gentoo up and running. After the user had finished > installing the operating system, it's too late to inform him about the > advantages of a separate /usr/portage. Yes and no (if you have free space, you could easily move /usr/portage - some other changes are harder). However, you could extend this line of argument to raid, lvm, and even stuff like the use of systemd or an alternative package manager. All of those things are much easier to implement if you just start out with them. I'm all for creating a wiki to talk about some alternative options. Perhaps even link to it at the start of the handbook in the intro (if you're not in a rush and want to read about more advanced configurations, check out ...). However, I tend to agree that the handbook should be a nearly-foolproof no-frills Gentoo installation. > 1. ext4, not ext3, needs to be recommended as the default filesystem. We > have kernel 3.2 marked stable, there is no need to keep talking about > ext4 as if it's something experimental. I tend to agree here. Not sure we need the full discussion of filesystems either. Ext4 is probably good enough for everybody, and mention ext3/2 as more established alternatives. I tend to feel the same way about stuff like LILO. Then again, Gentoo is about choice. It just seems like we're presenting users with more choices than makes sense for a newbie. If there is a choice between something that 99.99% of users will want, and some ancient piece of cruft that still works and is better for 0.01% of the userbase, does that really have to be in the handbook? Rich