From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3621392EF for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CE71E0853; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A4EBE0801 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id id10so5338591vcb.16 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Oir3iBhFeCqz3KGVTbtzqvVLvVhb0GwhzymxH1PlArQ=; b=rpesStGnIlNZRjimC/BQrs3bWCxE3yIw4b5QqMSCEM1szIb57IaCdO7BDK9GHBOQ75 o+MlLuR4nogeUsFnNGg6e2t5LpCHSj79/gZUS9GYidOJmbYmiRlrrwYtQuMMCYyLRCDO yyGlV2YiCy5LaqiBgm7U6E1bGYMn9A6Y/0xB7vGzH1gUJPNTxH68y+2+VZ675Tt0KXGn jQvKaBngN1+4YqBrXC1g+4QqI8Y0DQJXY+Ue50e1Tk8jh6Hznl0oMZY+MXdTPj0nNkBb cn2oIAkogERskYtjWKPEAAUorQNqgctcbT5e8qkfxbixdDXzZ8UDu2/VWcY9d8hPnghH 0/mg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.166.9 with SMTP id k9mr10781154vcy.20.1405256431306; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.72.19 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140707234502.3009929a@pomiot.lan> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:00:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: clUf5oU7rQL8Fd9stL3UV7CRjcI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The request to abolish games team policy From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: a7db62a8-811d-484d-87d7-868e4fdbcc32 X-Archives-Hash: 5f6c61ef8b9e720a74142f069000383e On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Rich, if I may have a suggestion, it would be that instead of meddling > with projects that have been doing their best with what they have for > years, and which need praise rather than hindrance, you instead start > a project to get people to think positively and accept criticism. The > amount of energy that was spent in this thread and many others in pure > loss could have gone a long way. The only thing that I've offered to do is to help people join the games team, which is supposed to be an open team anyway. That is about the extent of the "meddling" that I've proposed. I've yet to hear anybody on the games team comment that more help would not be welcome. That said, I've also yet to hear from anybody actually interested in joining the games team. So, that idea may not end up going anywhere anyway. The premise has been that there are people interested in working on games but they've been prevented from doing so, and working to help improve the games team from within is better than imposing direction from above. If indeed nobody actually wants to join the games team, then the next question is whether to leave things alone, or to find another solution. Either way I'd like to hear more from anybody who actually wants to maintain games packages but feels they have been unable to do so. Simply changing policies won't make actual work happen. Rich