From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C9459CAF for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2016 03:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6907121C06C; Sun, 10 Apr 2016 03:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f196.google.com (mail-ig0-f196.google.com [209.85.213.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EBB621C037 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2016 03:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f196.google.com with SMTP id nt3so7379712igb.0 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 20:49:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to; bh=p62vRwCemUPrtDm9VIWGaX5NXBzPlJA1wUH7ed9RhVg=; b=PAarxl6DjS651lFGQdLTKAEISm1RqqWCQ8HAvNc0rwT8lbjjs9gu74X+mGqEdU5VCH 8zTrZsRqpLh+ZsFL8Ugv+kyjBI5SXHAFU0d9tGZjVEjJtNjkARqxRMKa4IN32yAYYkNY BZrrXRQ6hH+wYkYkt4y1GqvpSOGeueWucrttPjmIBdI/o4FegUnfkGAW5/udyt+WjSsb voA75piE8xT9xH/ydAZTUBkZ0gGCeC8OHUn40uyovSriSU25Ji2o6zqtcG8BcUEYotND qzwbwRPSffDgwJd472RGDOi6YKnzg4gvmgxYChP9zxKjeitb1rmGr6LQ20k/Ag6XJTLs z2xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=p62vRwCemUPrtDm9VIWGaX5NXBzPlJA1wUH7ed9RhVg=; b=LRuZVsI5osuH6wsxD1ZTY1wXnH8C7yKYCiBfDcnfBg2l8IAGu0Lc8TNPopo1kofowl dxCHJ0uexuJRD1u/7423azLwyfvtxQIVHd66rod/Bu1wJycEKSx2yvnSJAynuubA6/pS +mQE/QWaS8BD/Ak7xp9O1pfivqhYd4YQGII4IigXAt4kHyP49NDw5p6P/7GJUXAQUdlG aY26ZUbchRYdhQubczb/xLJCZQxSD35wR3j8hmIIPhI6CJI1Kru23ScR9KDz+3RYQPDy QE0lApz/blOfjtBF15QMPHn0GbP6a5IIu+wNcwu6e+i4WU5S9Rv7lhCBnQNYRnIJPcpb xZiw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWDwNPmdPS015HTenFDoVgfQ23oAeSo1ocunXFVaNSBeiTzpECTHGuNmUqtCfa2p45cmENyzBtppigBBg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.47.194 with SMTP id f2mr2192607ign.97.1460260188537; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 20:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.52.72 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:49:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5709C872.8060303@iee.org> References: <57087E0D.3090502@gmail.com> <20160409053230.GA16529@waltdnes.org> <20160409160938.GA17530@waltdnes.org> <20160409194943.GA1271@ca.inter.net> <20160409225049.GA1276@ca.inter.net> <570995fe.44c7b60a.fb125.6a14@mx.google.com> <5709A062.4010800@iee.org> <5709ADFA.30106@iee.org> <5709B79E.4050508@iee.org> <5709C872.8060303@iee.org> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 23:49:48 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EOlzKgNmwXZWj10qf3D8779L8Sg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 88aedfa2-2427-4f1e-a4f1-a1bac287fce7 X-Archives-Hash: ce1de7a34c79bbd2058aa8d91fef9fef On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:28 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > Ok I'm gonna push the Big Red Button here, and assume you may not have > met 'genkernel' .. Genkernel has been around for a LONG time. I'm well aware of it. > ok its not a package, but its the nearest thing to > Gentoo's solution to what you're suggesting ... And it's in the Handbook > .. so, where's the issue, again?! 1. As you point out, its not a package. That means it works differently than everything else, and it can't be used as a dependency/etc. 2. Genkernel's initramfs isn't all that great. Don't get me wrong - it was very good back when it was new. However, I find it hard to compare it to the likes of dracut. However, if it were all that serious of an issue somebody would have fixed it by now. Manually building a kernel and using dracut is easy enough, and of course some prefer to not use an initramfs if their configuration allows it. -- Rich