From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330DE1384B4 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AB6021C04E; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95F5C21C018 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f176.google.com with SMTP id m11so50090367igk.1 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 06:04:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=yV2rMnkqf1/RbwaO+AvnDw+KRFuma/V+3Z9Y61FuwPk=; b=s1rRxAL/ROxOs0gX8QhJ92KMvhIaI0rPnWg+w8Z47QZx7RpeRDfddxkFZUx8tPmPHT YD0py+sGKPvEf2LpLJIZYAJ1Uz39GO1uY9S0+7W2o1KKTpPHEuYivKBRQELv3fradYd1 wMWhorc9oL8hw/FvISrSPpptbAGKOvtHz3lc84Fkt8vy2JDPNx+E+UCk6KPqanrlzE1R sou93pq3/+i038E2vYl/W1g8bYZ8tNRINpWwtjtSNg3bjC5DE5Vq4hbf/R+wd7wgg1Iy UenhAhUjYkFk33ZwOJUvF4SzKARMHumXfbIY82PPoTXG2B7MXJPTeYhG76293Kr/ACfz s8LA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.73.40 with SMTP id i8mr23587945igv.70.1450793051392; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 06:04:11 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.38.210 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 06:04:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <567950CB.4070307@gentoo.org> References: <566DACB3.2010105@gentoo.org> <20151213222001.0c1c466a3f3b8b0b53c69a9d@gentoo.org> <20151213190045.1e186781.dolsen@gentoo.org> <20151220212127.6e5cd419@caribou.gateway.pace.com> <56791ACB.3000903@gentoo.org> <567947B7.7090205@gentoo.org> <567950CB.4070307@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:04:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -l0MLzf27r6c9ZAWXuqa8Xniv3s Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: repo/gentoo.git, or how committing is challenging From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 92d939bd-7050-4278-b4b4-4c58c8dec780 X-Archives-Hash: 03ab93cc6f14f85fbf08a787c13e6436 On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >> >> Do you want to see this fixed? >> Are you willing to do the fixing yourself? > I don't have infinite time, and wasting a day documenting things that > should have been documented a year ago is not a good way of spending time. So, it sounds like the answer to the first question is yes, and the second is no... >> >> If the answer to the first question is yes, and the second is no, then >> you've just volunteered for the job of either community motivator, or >> frustrated user. The goal then is to make people care more about >> going out of their way to fix things than going out of their way to >> find ways to make you even more frustrated. Which do you think is >> going to be more emotionally satisfying to those who read this thread? >> > Things working. > > So, the trick is not to have user-visible breakage. > > Now you know the great trick too and can apply it to your daily life. > Yeah, but if I don't lift a finger to help fix this bug, I know it will drive you crazy for a few more days, or even months. That's basically my point. You're basically begging everybody who would otherwise want to fix this issue to just troll you instead. And that isn't helpful to anybody. You can't just wave your hands and have no user-visible breakage. You either need to fix things yourself or help motivate others to do it. The approach you're taking is about as helpful as telling your significant other that they're fat. After they're finished stabbing you to death with their spoon they're going to stick it in some Ben and Jerry's. Ugh, gotta take a break. Happy holidays! -- Rich