From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC7B1381F3 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72240E08A1; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85936E086B for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id pb11so536389veb.23 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1anp+yTRTFwGJsai8J+5pT0R7N/ELiUJBNeJsCiJZtQ=; b=yAAb9rTia4X69WbhA+TedBNYQ4qFKR/q19ExiIfFkaCj3hUvX3aEKDgjkH8gSeiMpV 0WIdE0bOVhFh+HiVa9+hAlLkBhiCp4lK3P6Cmu0N6IgXjAqeGlEZ6jd6JIqEL52Wdral lVDIpQBaGqKNv9d+6zSGrdXhRJsLDz85uTWUMsM/AxduxE7Dna4WyxQO+PMB1liSXdlm 0FWKyKIKyYlAlcUu+9BPqfxK3vD/9QBni1vmULhnl+Q6dfXX+Ihyxsc90SXi4R7IZ6HA 9fm9q7hSiRjfppsBwpwJ4MteEqeK1klD9u6xVLlSfBJeYYcyRGz/VsizI54gJvXh0C8q 8hmQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.231.36 with SMTP id td4mr16288104vdc.92.1370372953589; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.168.233 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130604185524.GA3956@linux1> References: <51A08A68.3020900@gentoo.org> <20130601092355.GB25065@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51AB0D39.8050506@gentoo.org> <20130602182038.GA4485@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51ABC8B1.7070105@gentoo.org> <20130604185524.GA3956@linux1> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:09:13 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vhCJmemNj2PbrsdFTfBr03_V8F4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: eselect init From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 2d5425c2-a28f-44c9-aa03-7694f59bdb01 X-Archives-Hash: 72891422650871a7d6ba5573a3aff027 On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 12:35:29AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: >> Again you should read the whole thread, please do, the whole eselect >> init stuff should stay opt-in for the time being so all this discussion >> is close to pointless. > > Can we please make this remain opt-in always? I too would rather not see > this become mandatory for gentoo. Sure, it is opt-in always. Done. :) And like any other decision in Gentoo, it can always be changed at a later date when circumstances change. There really are no "promises." However, I'm sure that such a thing would only change after careful deliberation and only if it makes a lot of sense. Just look at how long it took to stabilize OpenRC, or preserve-libs. I'm not really sure what people are looking for here. The word of a developer who might not be around forever, or a council that might not be around forever? I'd like to think that our past experiences haven't been so bad as to justify a great level of concern. If somebody wanted to foist this feature prematurely on the masses I'd be the first to object... Rich