From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F795138454 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1772E087C; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f172.google.com (mail-io0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5E1E0872 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iofh134 with SMTP id h134so107544462iof.0 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=br+VcfEKd/Z2whNgq7nm+YkiG7SUt4lzsfTICIpW27c=; b=aaCD0UXBkMxpcWk9QrNa1Y3lKlZTmxHbtlcywEwZaUqxtBjjPLKBcTyT+dqNYQ0PsA XFQwNBwNzLbwkzovQYCwTVWN0El92Uo6WXl3IUaLRqJaJxuogNzDE5t/2+SRV7+KmkX/ eDSEmvv5jPZ7USZIgZewvkuDX+64o4cCju0S3f2FJ9q6g1FxrUjtniCYH2JjKS6gT5EJ OVC+Y1nOciGdkdubq570xjZmhElBWQ+6PLxFgMqpczy768vKCPG5yf7muwkTjQehDfhW Mxb72FPOWjmidFMZZ7r/m0Metyminh5odYCQp/1y2f+CRfYDqCp+oIO7Gr4w+HWsb4D8 ZouQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.38 with SMTP id n38mr5681068ioe.45.1441995368159; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.103.70 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55F3178F.8070104@gentoo.org> References: <55EFDDAD.9030502@gentoo.org> <55EFDEC7.1070403@gentoo.org> <55F00BFD.7050804@gentoo.org> <55F12159.3020506@gentoo.org> <55F1439E.1070002@gentoo.org> <55F1C8AB.40005@gentoo.org> <55F1CA38.3050302@gentoo.org> <55F298D0.7020702@gentoo.org> <55F3178F.8070104@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:16:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yK2d5OP7dbLRj2EiuGcPJ4s27fM Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] USE="gui" From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 08cc2eb0-ebd4-42b7-9b60-842d2c8f496e X-Archives-Hash: 7b338483983e688e634448baa903a008 On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > I'm just wondering if we're jumping the gun a little bit on > IUSE="gui".. yes it'll be nice to have one flag that "just works" > for anyone not caring about the details, but it'll also mean > propagating a slew of REQUIRED_USE=" {X,wayland,gtk,qt4,qt5}? ( gui > )" entries and a lot of extra use-defaults which may or may not > cleanup the sub-profiles of desktop/ .... A completely valid concern. Of course, there is no requirement that all this stuff happen overnight. > Also, I believe we need to have the conversation about the pros and > cons of IUSE=gui here before the council meeting, yes? You can read my original post to -project: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/4776 I did start it out with my reservation that this probably wouldn't come to a vote. However, I did want to at least toss out a specific proposal so that we have something to throw darts at, vs just going around the room saying "sounds like something that might need some attention." This is of course an opportunity to have that conversation, but I recognize that we're starting pretty late considering the timing of the meeting. I didn't really intend to actually push for a vote on this. Most likely we'll express thoughts both pro and con, and then take it back to the lists and maybe try to finalize something next month. My sense is that this has been going on for a long time though and we're seeing problems over and over. I agree that wayland is still a bit off in the future, but I can see it coming up again there. In the meantime both qt and gtk have run into this. I don't want to do something just to do something, but it seems like my proposal is along the lines of what most have been talking about. -- Rich